Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

[Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>]

On 5/15/23 9:46 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 6:42 PM Dave Phelps <tippenring () gmail com> wrote:
>
>     I think it's safe to assume they are selling such data.
>
>     
> https://www.techdirt.com/2021/08/25/isps-give-netflow-data-to-third-parties-who-sell-it-without-user-awareness-consent/
>
>     https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3z9a/fbi-bought-netflow-data-team-cymru-contract
>
>
> From the second article:
>
> "Team Cymru’s products can also include data such as URLs visited, 
> cookies, and PCAP data"
>
> Really?  From Netflow?
>
> I admit, I'm perhaps a little behind on the latest netflow whiz-bangs,
> but I've never seen a netflow record type that included HTTP cookies
> or PCAP data before.
>
> Certainly, the products listed on the Team Cymru website don't make 
> any mention
> of including cookies or PCAP data, at least not from what I've been 
> able to
> ascertain from digging through their product listing.
>
> Is there some secret "off the menu" product that allows one to purchase a
> data feed that includes cookies and PCAP data?
Given the pervasiveness of TLS these days, even if they could get it off 
the remaining unencrypted data I'm not sure it would have a lot of value.

Mike