Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

Our ISP does not collect (nor obviously sell) customer
information/traffic.  People volunteer all of their information on
Facebook/Twitter/etc already, I'm not sure I see a concern.

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:07 AM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:

> I did see an article about Team Cymru selling netflow data from ISPs to
> > governments though.
>
> Team Cymru sold the same thing to the FBI Cyber Crimes division that any
> of us could purchase if we wanted to pay for it.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:52 AM Rishi Panthee <rishipanthee () ryamer com>
> wrote:
>
> > I’ve got Akvorado and netflow to identify where traffic comes in/goes to
> > so we can improve our peering and make less traffic go via transit. I did
> > see an article about Team Cymru selling netflow data from ISPs to
> > governments though.
> > https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3z9a/fbi-bought-netflow-data-team-cymru-contract
> >
> >
> > Rishi Panthee
> > Ryamer LLC
> > Https://ryamer.com
> > rishipanthee () ryamer com
> >
> >
> > On May 15, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And maybe try to monetize it? I'm pretty sure that they can be compelled
> > to do that, but do they do it for their own reasons too? Or is this way too
> > much overhead to be doing en mass? (I vaguely recall that netflow, for
> > example, can make routers unhappy if there is too much "flow").
> >
> > Obviously this is likely to depend on local laws but since this is NANOG
> > we can limit it to here.
> >
> > Mike