Re: BGP Experiment

[Mark Tees <marktees () gmail com>]

I might be reading this wrong but it appears only one person has raised an
issue and then not actually backed it up with data.

Out of the eyes that have views inside the major networks did anyone see
any issues?

Surely cross posting this to other NOG lists is sufficienct.


On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 09:15, Randy via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:

> OP is yet to clarify how a single /24 advertisement caused a
> "massive-prefix spike/flap"; in OP's words.
>
> The Experiment should continue.
> -Randy
>
>
> On Friday, January 25, 2019, 2:32:47 PM PST, Tom Beecher
> <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
>
> If I understand this thread correctly, the test cause no actual change in
> the routing table size or route announcement. That was all a result of the
> incorrect behavior of the software.
>
> Instead of throwing rocks, how about some data instead. We can collaborate
> and better understand the whole thing so make it better and move on to the
> next thing. Yelling about "North America" when 4 of the 7 listed
> researchers on the test are NOT IN NORTH AMERICA doesn't really help
> anything.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:25 AM Ben Cooper <ben () packet gg> wrote:
> > Can you stop this?
> >
> > You caused again a massive prefix spike/flap, and as the internet is not
> centered around NA (shock horror!) a number of operators in Asia and
> Australia go effected by your “expirment” and had no idea what was
> happening or why.
> > Get a sandbox like every other researcher, as of now we have black holed
> and filtered your whole ASN, and have reccomended others do the same.
> > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 1:19 am, Italo Cunha <cunha () dcc ufmg br> wrote:
> > > NANOG,
> > >
> > > This is a reminder that this experiment will resume tomorrow
> > > (Wednesday, Jan. 23rd). We will announce 184.164.224.0/24 carrying a
> > > BGP attribute of type 0xff (reserved for development) between 14:00
> > > and 14:15 GMT.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 10:05 AM Italo Cunha <cunha () dcc ufmg br> wrote:
> > > > NANOG,
> > > >
> > > > We would like to inform you of an experiment to evaluate alternatives
> > > > for speeding up adoption of BGP route origin validation (research
> > > > paper with details [A]).
> > > >
> > > > Our plan is to announce prefix 184.164.224.0/24 with a valid
> > > > standards-compliant unassigned BGP attribute from routers operated by
> > > > the PEERING testbed [B, C]. The attribute will have flags 0xe0
> > > > (optional transitive [rfc4271, S4.3]), type 0xff (reserved for
> > > > development), and size 0x20 (256bits).
> > > >
> > > > Our collaborators recently ran an equivalent experiment with no
> > > > complaints or known issues [A], and so we do not anticipate any
> > > > arising. Back in 2010, an experiment using unassigned attributes by
> > > > RIPE and Duke University caused disruption in Internet routing due to
> > > > a bug in Cisco routers [D, CVE-2010-3035]. Since then, this and other
> > > > similar bugs have been patched [e.g., CVE-2013-6051], and new BGP
> > > > attributes have been assigned (BGPsec-path) and adopted (large
> > > > communities). We have successfully tested propagation of the
> > > > announcements on Cisco IOS-based routers running versions 12.2(33)SRA
> > > > and 15.3(1)S, Quagga 0.99.23.1 and 1.1.1, as well as BIRD 1.4.5 and
> > > > 1.6.3.
> > > >
> > > > We plan to announce 184.164.224.0/24 from 8 PEERING locations for a
> > > > predefined period of 15 minutes starting 14:30 GMT, from Monday to
> > > > Thursday, between the 7th and 22nd of January, 2019 (full schedule and
> > > > locations [E]). We will stop the experiment immediately in case any
> > > > issues arise.
> > > >
> > > > Although we do not expect the experiment to cause disruption, we
> > > > welcome feedback on its safety and especially on how to make it safer.
> > > > We can be reached at disco-experiment () googlegroups com.
> > > >
> > > > Amir Herzberg, University of Connecticut
> > > > Ethan Katz-Bassett, Columbia University
> > > > Haya Shulman, Fraunhofer SIT
> > > > Ítalo Cunha, Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais
> > > > Michael Schapira, Hebrew University of Jerusalem
> > > > Tomas Hlavacek, Fraunhofer SIT
> > > > Yossi Gilad, MIT
> > > >
> > > > [A] https://conferences.sigcomm.org/hotnets/2018/program.html
> > > > [B] http://peering.usc.edu
> > > > [C] https://goo.gl/AFR1Cn
> > > > [D]
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/erik/ripe-ncc-and-duke-university-bgp-experiment
> > > > [E] https://goo.gl/nJhmx1
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Regards,

Mark L. Tees