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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality


From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 10:37:56 -0500

Miles,

Usenet was normally asymmetrical between servers, even when server
operators try to seed equally as being fed.  It's a function of how a few
servers are the source original content and how long individual servers
choose (and have the disk) to keep specific content.

It was never designed to have as many server nodes as you're describing and
I'd imagine there's some nasty side effects if we tried get that many
active servers going as we have customers.
On Mar 1, 2015 10:25 AM, "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
wrote:

Scott,

Asymmetric measured where?  Between client and server or between servers?
I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running locally - how do
you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?

Miles Fidelman



Scott Helms wrote:


Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
changes to the protocol or human behavior.

We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.

On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM, "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman () meetinghouse net
<mailto:mfidelman () meetinghouse net>> wrote:

    Aled Morris wrote:


        Sadly we don't have many "killer applications" for symmetric
        residential
        bandwidth, but that's likely because we don't have the
        infrastructure to
        incubate these applications.


    Come to think of it, if USENET software wasn't so cumbersome, I
    kind of wonder if today's "social network" would consist of home
    servers running NNTP - and I expect the traffic would be very
    symmetric. (For that matter, with a few tweaks, the USENET model
    would be great for "groupware" - anybody remember the Netscape
    communications server that added private newsgroups and
    authentication to the mix?)

    Miles Fidelman



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