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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality


From: Barry Shein <bzs () world std com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:45:04 -0400


Not a problem, the discussion was getting a bit out of hand so
misunderstandings are unsuprising.

Thank you for adding your expertise and experiences.

        -Barry Shein

The World              | bzs () TheWorld com           | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD        | Dial-Up: US, PR, Canada
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From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Barry,

First, I want to apologize.  I (badly) misread your email, but in case I
should not have responded that way.  I would have gotten this out sooner,
but I was traveling back from the CableLabs conference.


Second, my assertion is simply that Usenet servers aren't automagically
symmetrical in their bandwidth usage and that trying to build a system off
of NNTP so that each broadband subscriber became in effect a Usenet server
wouldn't work well without significant modifications.

Third, if anyone cares the Usenet server we ran was news.america.net


Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
--------------------------------
http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Barry Shein <bzs () world std com> wrote:


From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>

/em shrug

I can't help it if you don't like real world data.
On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, "Barry Shein" <bzs () world std com> wrote:


Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
were asserting.

Generally when someone says they don't understand me I assume it's my
fault for not being clear and try to clarify.

Apparently you prefer to be rude.

*Plonk*

--
        -Barry Shein

The World              | bzs () TheWorld com           |
http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD        | Dial-Up: US, PR,
Canada
Software Tool & Die    | Public Access Internet     | SINCE 1989     *oo*

<div dir=3D"ltr">Barry,<div><br></div><div>First, I want to apologize.=C2=
=A0 I (badly) misread your email, but in case I should not have responded t=
hat way.=C2=A0 I would have gotten this out sooner, but I was traveling bac=
k from the CableLabs conference.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Se=
cond, my assertion is simply that Usenet servers aren&#39;t automagically s=
ymmetrical in their bandwidth usage and that trying to build a system off o=
f NNTP so that each broadband subscriber became in effect a Usenet server w=
ouldn&#39;t work well without significant modifications.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Third, if anyone cares the Usenet server we ran was <a href=3D"http:=
//news.america.net">news.america.net</a></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><br></div>Scott Helms
<br>Vice President of Technology
<br>ZCorum
<br>(678) 507-5000
<br>--------------------------------
<br><a href=3D"http://twitter.com/kscotthelms"; target=3D"_blank">http://twi=
tter.com/kscotthelms</a>
<br>--------------------------------=C2=A0<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Barry Shein =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bzs () world std com" target=3D"_blank=
">bzs () world std com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
<br>
From: Scott Helms &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:khelms () zcorum com">khelms () zcorum co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;/em shrug<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;I can&#39;t help it if you don&#39;t like real world data.<br>
&gt;On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, &quot;Barry Shein&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
zs () world std com">bzs () world std com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what yo=
u<br>
&gt;&gt; were asserting.<br>
<br>
Generally when someone says they don&#39;t understand me I assume it&#39;s =
my<br>
fault for not being clear and try to clarify.<br>
<br>
Apparently you prefer to be rude.<br>
<br>
*Plonk*<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Barry Shein<br>
<br>
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m=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| <a href=3D"http://www.TheWorld.=
com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.TheWorld.com</a><br>
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | D=
ial-Up: US, PR, Canada<br>
Software Tool &amp; Die=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | Public Access Internet=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0| SINCE 1989=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*oo*<br>
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