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Re: Regional AS model
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:47:35 -0700
On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Mar 28, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dave Temkin wrote:On 3/27/11 2:53 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:Single AS worldwide is fine with or without a backbone.Only if you want to make use of ugly ugly BGP hacks on your routers, or, you don't care about Site A being able to hear announcements from Site B.You are highly confused. Accepting default is not ugly, especially if you don't even have a backbone connecting your sites. And even if we could argue over default's aesthetic qualities (which, honestly, I don't see how we can), there is no rational person who would consider it a hack. You really should stop trying to correct the error you made in your first post. Remember the old adage about when you find yourself in a hole. Another thing to note is the people who actually run multiple discrete network nodes posting here all said it was fine to use a single AS. One even said the additional overhead of managing multiple ASes would be more trouble than it is worth, and I have to agree with that statement. Put another way, there is objective, empirical evidence that it works. In response, you have some nebulous "ugly" comment. I submit your argument is, at best, lacking sufficient definition to be considered useful.And in reality, is "allowas-in" *that* horrible of a hack? If used properly, I'd say not. In a network where you really are split up regionally with no backbone there's really little downside, especially versus relying on default only. -DaveI agree that allowas-in is not as bad as default, but, I still think that having one AS per routing policy makes a hell of a lot more sense and there's really not much downside to having an ASN for each independent site.I'm glad you ignored Woody and others, who actually runs a multi-site, single-as topology. How many multi-site (non)networks have you run with production traffic?
Over the years, about a dozen or so. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: Regional AS model, (continued)
- Re: Regional AS model Michael Hallgren (Mar 25)
- Re: Regional AS model Owen DeLong (Mar 25)
- Re: Regional AS model David Freedman (Mar 25)
- Re: Regional AS model Owen DeLong (Mar 25)
- Re: Regional AS model Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 26)
- Re: Regional AS model Nick Hilliard (Mar 27)
- Re: Regional AS model Nick Hilliard (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model Dave Temkin (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model Owen DeLong (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model Owen DeLong (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model Jeff Wheeler (Mar 28)
- Re: Regional AS model David Conrad (Mar 24)
- Re: Regional AS model Danny McPherson (Mar 24)
- Re: Regional AS model Jeffrey S. Young (Mar 24)
- Re: Regional AS model Jeff Wheeler (Mar 24)