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Re: The real issue
From: Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:56:46 -0700
'not my customer, not my issue, you REALLY need to talk to ASX who's their provider...' -Chris
I don't believe this is how most ISP's would respond or there wouldn't be RBLs.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com> wrote:However if someone at ARIN had put in a call to say the top 10 transit providers and asked them to black-hole this space (which they might do)then where would you have been?-----Original Message----- From: Mike Lewinski [mailto:mike () rockynet com] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:54 PM To: nanog list Subject: Re: The real issue Shane Ronan wrote:Very simple, just do it.Ha! We have some legacy IP space in continous use here at ASN13345 for over 12 years now that was recently "revoked" for a few weeks (only tobe later restored via a transfer once the exact definition of "ownership" in a member-owned cooperative was hammered out).Guess what stopped working in the interim? Well the whois records were gone and our abuse desk probably had a tiny decrease in complaints as a result. In some quarters that might be seen as a blessing, but we viewabuse reports as cries for help from infected hosts that will become larger service outages if not addressed.Also the in-addr services went away, affecting about a half dozen mailservers out of several thousand hosts in the "revoked" delegation. Wedid not receive one single call or complaint about connectivity in that duration apart from the in-addr loss, and those customers were offered smart host use or replacement IPs for the duration. The ones who chose the smart host continued to use the "revoked" IP space without problemafter that.The Internet's greatest strength and greatest weakness is the lack of acentral authority who can "just do it". I for one am happy it is thatway. It's part of what makes us an *autonomous* system, sovereign of ourown little kingdom. Mike<div><br></div>
Current thread:
- Re: The real issue, (continued)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jack Bates (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Mike Lewinski (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Jon Lewis (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Crooks, Sam (Apr 21)
- IPv6-capable hardware? Jack Bates (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jon Lewis (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jorge Amodio (Apr 23)
- RE: The real issue Murphy, Jay, DOH (Apr 23)