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RE: The real issue
From: "Crooks, Sam" <Sam.Crooks () experian com>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:53:50 -0500
And exactly how are you determining it is 'unused'? Not announced to the internet? (which means virtually nothing as far as 'use' status of an IP block) For pete sake, the time has come to resolve the issues that prevent widespread adoption of IPv6: - resolve RIR IPv6 allocation hassles for requesting end-user orgs - insist on IPv6-capable hardware/services/engineering staff when getting new hardware/services/staff - work toward retirement of IPv6-incapable hardware/software - train staff - start PoCs for IPv6 services (ip transit, DNS, etc) - start requiring IPv6 capability from ISPs which are slow to move (Vendor A, V, S, etc) Many large organizations use public IP space internally and do not announce it to the Internet. Some SPs use public IP space on private MPLS VPN networks to address links to customers to ensure non-conflicting addresses are used. Some companies run large extranets to connect to customers and partners. Many of these use public IP space to ensure services exposed to customers over these extranets never conflict with IP space used by customers. MOVE ON. Playing net cop does not solve the issue, merely forestalls it. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Ronan [mailto:sronan () fattoc com] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:27 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: The real issue Very simple, just do it. On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com> wrote:It's means one of two things:sure, but 'how' exactly?1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation orarin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a method to affect routability of a network.2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ... that's a lengthy process and expensive. -ChrisOn Apr 21, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan () fattoc com> wrote:Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from people
who have long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for it, prepared to start filing civil suits against people who were assigned /24's (and paid for them) due to inaccurate declaration?out of curiousity.. 'take back' means what in this context?<div><br></div>
Current thread:
- RE: The real issue, (continued)
- RE: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jack Bates (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Mike Lewinski (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Jon Lewis (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Shane Ronan (Apr 21)
- RE: The real issue Crooks, Sam (Apr 21)
- IPv6-capable hardware? Jack Bates (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jon Lewis (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Christopher Morrow (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 21)
- Re: The real issue Jorge Amodio (Apr 23)
- RE: The real issue Murphy, Jay, DOH (Apr 23)