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Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?"
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:23:50 -0500 (EST)
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, Owen DeLong wrote:
I think what is really represented there is that because they own an existing network that was built with public subsidy and future entrants have no such access to public subsidy to build their own network,
Some people may think "public subsidy" implies using taxpayer funds such as giving incentivies to companies to build factories, job training programs, re-locate corporate headquarters or even build sports stadiums. Are you refering to the exclusive franchises granted to various cable and telephone companies in parts of the country as the "subsidy?" Or are you refering the the High Cost Support funds which used to be implicit internal transfers in the old Bell System (not taxpayer funds), or now explicit transfers through the Universial Service Fund? Or are you referring to the US Department of Agriculture Rural Utilities Service financing which assists non-RBOC rural telephone and utility companies? Competitors have been given access to the legacy telephone copper plant (but generally not the cable coaxial plant) in most of the country. The legacy copper outside plant is quickly being replaced by post-1996 outside plant. Soon there may be little or no pre-1996 outside copper plant left. Ownership of inside wiring was transfered to the property owner a couple of decades ago. Several municipalities in the US have spent taxpayer funds, or taxpayer backed, to build a municiple outside plants. What's interesting is there is relatively little competitive activity or demand for access in locations (i.e. rural) with the largest government incentives, while there is a lot of demand in areas (i.e. urban) which had minimimal or no government incentives and were funded by shareholders and other investors. The RBOCs and MSOs have been selling off their rural assets to other companies for any years. So what is it exactly you think taxpayer funds paid for and should now own?
Current thread:
- Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill], (continued)
- Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill] Jared Mauch (Nov 15)
- Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill] Steven J. Sobol (Nov 17)
- Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill] Jared Mauch (Nov 17)
- Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill] Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) David Barak (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) Matthew Crocker (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" David Barak (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Matthew Crocker (Nov 15)
- RE: What do we mean when we say "competition?" David Schwartz (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Sean Donelan (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Sean Donelan (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" David Barak (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" Sean Donelan (Nov 16)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) Michael . Dillon (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 15)
- Re: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- RE: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) David Schwartz (Nov 15)
- RE: What do we mean when we say "competition?" (was: Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]) Owen DeLong (Nov 15)