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Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
From: I Am Not An Isp <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:24:14 -0800
At 05:00 PM 1/9/00 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote: >We do ignore them. They are pretty ineffective at causing any mail problems >for us. Which is another good reason not to use them. However, they enable >spammers to find relays. Particularly annoying to me is they enable >spammers to find our relay. When ORBS was blocked from 11/24 to 12/15, our >relay troubles stopped. Spammers can't relay without a list of relays. >ORBS provides that list.Why don't you go after mail-abuse.org? They have an open relay list and I thought they wanted to make new law. (Someone from mail-abuse.org is welcome to correct me if my impression is incorrect.) That way at least both parties are willing participants in the litigation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of ORBS and do not use it. But I would hate to see what happens if lists of publicly available information is judged illegal.
I wonder if search engines can be sued for listing sites they found through web crawling? I can just claim I do not want to password protect my sensitive information and now that people are finding the page in a search engine they are downloading said sensitive information without my approval. So it MUST be the search engine's fault, or better yet, their upstream's fault. I mean, they had to do an HTTP-get to find the information, isn't that intrusion upon my property?
Can't wait to see how this pans out. And, yes, Dean, I am hoping that you lose and lose so badly no one tries it again.
> --Dean TTFN, patrick -- I Am Not An Isp - www.ianai.net ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs, <http://www.ispf.com> "Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle (OhMyGod - Watch out 'Net, I got enable again! ;-)
Current thread:
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion, (continued)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Mr. James W. Laferriere (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion melinda b. thompson (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Dean Anderson (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Alex P. Rudnev (Jan 09)
- Spam, Law and Reality Charles E. Yow, Esq. (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Dean Anderson (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 08)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Dean Anderson (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion I Am Not An Isp (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Deepak Jain (Jan 09)
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- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Hank Nussbacher (Jan 10)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Owen DeLong (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Dean Anderson (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Jim Popovitch (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 09)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Shawn McMahon (Jan 10)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 10)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Dan Hollis (Jan 10)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 10)
- Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion Derek J. Balling (Jan 10)