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Re: BBN Peering issues
From: owen () DeLong SJ CA US (Owen DeLong)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:55:16 -0700
The question above is rather interesting, and what I'd like to know is what are the various types of "peering" that various ISPs have arranged between each other?
PEERING == Equal relation ship wher provider A announces routes to themselves and their customers to provider B and Provider B does likewise. There is no announcement by either party of non-customer 3rd party routes to the other. TRANSIT == Provider A is a customer of provider B. Provider A announces routes to itself and it's customers. Provider B announces a complete routing table and/or a default route to provider A. These are separate and distinct entities from Exchange points... Exchanges (places where traffic gets handed off) come in the following varieties: PUBLIC == An exchange point where multiple providers connect with each other across a shared media, such as ATM, FR, Ethernet, FDDI, etc. Generally most public exchanges are run by a third party to whom all of the ISPs connecting have a customer relationship. PRIVATE == A circuit or virtual circuit between two providers which does not provide a shared media type of environment with multiple providers. Generally, there is no third party customer relationship, other than possibly one or both ISPs paying a telco for a circuit. There are many different financial arrangements that can be made around private peering. One of the most common ones I've seen is to bring up multiple circuits and agree that provider A pays for one circuit while provider B pays for the other. No other money changes hands. Sometimes, provider A is willing to pay for all circuits just to get better connectivity for their customers. I hope this clarifies the terms. Owen
"public" - each ISP is at a public exchange point and traffic that is destined to/from each provider moves across whatever hardware is provided at the exchange point. This could exist at all exchange points where both parties have an adequate presence. Possible additional cost if traffic that would come from another peer is shifted here and bandwidth to the exchange needs to be increased. "private" - A connection exists either via PTP, ATM, FR, or whatever else you can think of between the involved parties. One or both parties pay for the link. One time hardware outlay. Seems expensive. Less expensive than "buying" an DS3 or higher port from the provider. Who buys from whom? Who pays? These must be NDA'd. Can anyone cite some examples of what some providers *might* do to make it a fair trade when this is an NDA'd agreement? "public/private hybrid" - Existing exchange point equipment and connections are used. Purchase ether/fddi cable from MFS to run between your equipment. Cheap? No telco charges, consolidate your pipes. So what was the Exodus/GTEI agreement like? Did it fit neatly into one of these categories? Are there other more esoteric arrangements? Is GTEI basically trying to get Exodus as a "customer" in a round-about way? That certainly seems like an easy way to make more cash. "I'll talk to you, but only if you buy 'Peering Bundle #A13' from us at $100,000/mo. and you have no other options. We are big, and this is what you need to do to be a peer." Is this an accurate assessment? Please set me on track if I'm misunderstanding the concepts at work here... Thanks, Charles =-----------------= = | Charles Sprickman Internet Channel | | INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 | | spork () inch com access () inch com | = =----------------=
Current thread:
- Re: BBN Peering issues, (continued)
- Re: BBN Peering issues alex (Aug 13)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Robert Bowman (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Jon Lewis (Aug 13)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Sean M. Doran (Aug 13)
- What peering means [was Re: BBN Peering issues] Alex Bligh (Aug 13)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Owen DeLong (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Adam Rothschild (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Owen DeLong (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Scott Huddle (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Owen DeLong (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Owen DeLong (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Patrick W. Gilmore (Aug 15)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Sean M. Doran (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues steve (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Sean M. Doran (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Matt Sommer (Aug 14)
- FW: BBN Peering issues Lawrence A. Deleski (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Sean Donelan (Aug 14)
- Re: BBN Peering issues Hank Nussbacher (Aug 15)
- RE: BBN Peering issues Goldstein_William (Aug 16)
- RE: BBN Peering issues Goldstein_William (Aug 16)
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