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Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate!
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:23:12 -0500
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 07:11:10PM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote:
Your rhetoric on this is not relevant and personal. What's up with you? No coffee yet today?
No, I'm simply exasperated at (1) the gross stupidity of supposedly-intelligent people, and at (2) the unbelievable arrogance of the unintelligent and/or uneducated who have absolutely no clue, yet have the audacity to pretend otherwise. In the former case, we find people who are unable to correctly identify swiftboating techniques when they are blatantly obvious, who are not able to think critically about issues (as I've seen it put succinctly elsewhere, "do you think the email messages are melting the Arctic?"), and who are sadly far more fixated on style than substance. This includes, as we see in this instance, many people who are not trained scientists and thus who utterly fail to grasp how science actually works in practice. Hint: science is objective. Scientists are not. That's why it works. In the latter case, we find everyone who does not comprehend science and mathematics, and is therefore not qualified to speak on this issue... until they do. Not that they'll figure out this out, of course; even though they have failed to master rudimentary calculus or basic probability theory and would not know Rayleigh scattering or adibiatic cooling if they were hit over the head with them, these arrogant fools have the temerity to pretend that they comprehend these topics. They do not, and so of course the only sensible choices available to them are (a) shut up or (b) learn. Most will not elect either of these but will instead choose to (c) blab about things they don't even begin to grasp. [ You will note, for example, that I do not weigh in on long-term trends in Italian poetry. I don't speak the language, so I don't have the slightest clue what anyone involved in that research area is saying. I don't deserve to hold or voice an opinion: I haven't earned that right. Similarly, anyone who does not, at bare minimum, fully comprehend all of the underlying physical phenomena as well as the mathematics involved in multi-dimensional stochastic processes, should not speak on the subject of the climate change because *they do not comprehend the language of the conversation*. ] Can you -- generic you -- right here, right now, without any help, state the three laws of thermodynamics, give an example of a perturbation function, explain the carbon dioxide phase diagram, and solve a partial differential equation? If not, then you really should not be trying to express an opinion on global warming. You're as clueless about it as I am about Italian poetry. Now...you're (still generic you) more than welcome to change that. I applaud anyone and everyone who tries to learn the language of the universe (mathematics) and to understand its expressed mechanisms (physics, chemistry, etc.). Be prepared to expend significant time and effort -- note that it's far more intellectually demanding than IT. But among the payoffs is that you'll be able to read, understand, and evaluate the original research in disciplines like climatology, instead of relying on the dumbed-down versions in the popular press -- or worse, the propaganda pieces written to serve corporate and political goals. More broadly: One of the more unfortunate trends that I've noted is a tendency to presume that there are two sides to every story, that all opinions are considering, that everyone who speaks on a subject is worthy of attention, etc. There are indeed occasions when these things are true, but this is not one of them. And I grow tired of seeing endless and pointless "debate" over "controversies" that are no such thing. A notable example in the US is the moron-driven meme that educational institutions should "teach the controversy" about evolution. The only "controversy" is why any qualified, professional educator would give the absurd concept of creationism any more than a backhand slap in the face -- because that's all it deserves. Any educator who actually takes it seriously should be fired on the spot and blacklisted from teaching for life. Other similar topic areas include (obviously) global warming and vaccines. There is a wealth of pseudoscientific babble driven by the superstitious, the greedy, the ignorant, the exploitive, and the just plain crazy. Some of the time I actually make the effort to refute this reeking garbage, even though it quite clearly doesn't deserve that effort. Other times -- like now -- I just want to quote Enrico Fermi: "That is not even good enough to be wrong." And I will instead point to climatedenial.org, where someone who at least at the moment has more patience than I do is attempting to deal gracefully with those who lack the intellect and/or education to comprehend global warming. ---Rsk _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- finally! Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate!, (continued)
- finally! Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Gadi Evron (Nov 27)
- Re: finally! Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Larry Seltzer (Nov 27)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Robert Graham (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Gadi Evron (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Gadi Evron (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Alex Eckelberry (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 26)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Rich Kulawiec (Dec 02)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 02)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Robert Graham (Dec 02)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Amrit Williams (Dec 02)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 02)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Martin Tomasek (Dec 03)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 03)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Wes Deviers (Dec 03)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 05)
- Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate! Martin Tomasek (Dec 05)
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