Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

["Steven Allison" <Steven.Allison () cox net>]

Living in Arizona and being a concealed carrier myself, I have my views but
there certainly is a tradeoff when you add guns to the equation of self
protection in society. In AZ, it is quite easy to get a concealed weapons
permit as long as you don't have a felony, violent misdemeanor, or
psychiatric issues on your record. 

Even with these easy to get permits, only about 10% of the AZ population has
permits. However, with a 1 in 10 chance of confronting an armed citizen,
most criminals in AZ have taken safer routes to their criminal activity. So
has "crime" actually dropped in AZ? Not necessarily. Violent crime (against
the general law abiding public) certainly has, but it has been replaced by
car theft, identity theft, burglary and other non-violent crimes. 

The vast majority of violent crimes involving guns are usually gang or drug
related. Which to me, if they are cleaning their own gene pool, that is OK
with me. Clean away. Just stop breeding. 

As for the all of the countries mentioned in this thread, we all know
freedom is something you cannot take lightly. You can either be an unarmed
"subject," or an armed "citizen" and take control of your own self
protection. 

Steve Allison





  

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:33 AM
To: david.a.harley () gmail com; funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

The argument was more guns less CRIME, not more guns less crime with
guns.

The tradeoff is more crimes with guns for a lot less overall crime. I
think that is a lot preferable to what goes on in the UK and Ireland.

BTW: Aside from issues related to the troubles, which have now mostly
faded into insignificance, NI has always had lower crime than the rest
of the UK, or the Republic since 1972. Kind of makes the point of the
OP: More guns, less crime. Your post made my point.



-----Original Message-----
From: David Harley [mailto:david.a.harley () gmail com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:18 AM
To: Tomas L. Byrnes; 'funsec'
Subject: RE: [funsec] FBI: More Guns == Less Crime

> Your problem is that you only focus on "Gun Crime". 

Uh-huh. If you don't like the argument you're in, pretend it's a
different
one. It wasn't me who defined the subject for this thread.

FWIW, I can certainly agree that firearms-unrelated violent crime in the
UK
is a bigger problem than gun crime. I'm surprised but happy to hear that
it's less of a problem in the US.

I'd suggest leaving aside Ireland, where the political issues have
introduced a whole raft of extra complications - isn't self-defence
still
considered a valid reason to own a firearm in Northern Ireland? At any
rate,
N.I. law seems a lot more gun-friendly than the rest of the UK. 

--
David Harley BA CISSP FBCS CITP
Director of Malware Intelligence, ESET

 


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