Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?

["C Q" <kyle.c.quest () gmail com>]

At least here you tried to provide some reasoning behind your statement...
That's progress :-)

Once again, I'd like to revisit the scenario with money. Please tell me are
most bills counterfeit?
Yes, there's a problem with people counterfeiting money, but it's not an
epidemic. And it's actually
easy to counterfeit our money... Their protection mechanisms are pathetic
:-)
If we have really good id cards. It will be much harder to counterfeit them.
It's not about
impossibility... it's about reducing the possibility. Besides... even if the
crooks will
manage to counterfeit the cards to make them visually similar there will
still be a matter
of having to deal with digital fingerprints, etc. That won't be that easy to
counter fit.
Please go read up on asymmetric encryption, PKI, certificates, CAs, etc.
Then come
back and tell me how you are going to counterfeit Microsoft website's
certificate...

As for freedom... I got news for you. There's no such thing. Especially in
the US.
It's an illusion... And it's been gone for many many years. I have lived in
other countries,
so I can share my first hand experience that a lot of times you have much
more freedom
elsewhere...

And another thing about freedom... it's a relative concept. For example, the
drivers in Germany
are fighting the Green Party that wants to impose a 120km (about 75 miles)
speed limit.
The German drivers are saying that it's their right... a free man should be
able to go as
fast as he wants from point A to point B.

Speaking of driving... where's this freedom thingie you are referring to...
when you are forced
by law to wear a seatbelt as if the government owned your body and soul...

On 5/18/07, Randy Abrams <abrams () eset com> wrote:
> And yet it will not accomplish either. It will add a product line to the
> black market. Criminals with funding will buy the technology to beat the ID
> card, and will also sell excellent counterfeits on the black market, making
> it harder to discover an illegal alien. For the law abiding American it will
> only facilitate government tracking.
>
> It's simply a proposal that no American who values freedom at all could
> accept as anything less than an assault on the rights and freedoms of the
> innocent.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Randy
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>         From: C Q [mailto:kyle.c.quest () gmail com]
>         Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:54 PM
>         To: Fergie
>         Cc: privacy () whitestar linuxbox org
>         Subject: Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?
>
>
>         You are right. I didn't word it correctly. I meant to say that
>         I talked about those two issues. Yes, one of the main benefits
>         behind introducing National ID is to have better tools
>         in preventing what you mentioned (the whole pilot license thing).
>         I agree that this should really be about that and less about
>         controlling illegals. It's just that website with the original
> article
>         tried to get immigration into the mix. I just had to say something
> about that...
>
>
>
>         On 5/18/07, Fergie <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
>
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>                 - -- "C Q" <kyle.c.quest () gmail com> wrote:
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>                 >There are two issues here:
>                 >1. National ID and its benefits
>                 >2. Illegal aliens and their impact on the lives of the
> people who live in
>                 >the US.
>                 >
>
>                 Actually, no.
>
>                 Number 2 should be "Prohibiting terrorists from obtaining
> pilot's
>                 licenses."
>
>                 It is nothing less than disingenuous to color this debate
> on a
>                 National ID card as an illegal immigration control issue.
>
>                 After 11 September 2001, the _entire_ impetus for a
> National ID
>                 card (née Real ID) was to put into a place a mechanism to
> identify
>                 people who weren't supposed to be here -- namely
> terrorists.
>
>                 - - ferg
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>                 --
>                 "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
>                 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
>                 fergdawg(at)netzero.net
>                 ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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