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Re: [privacy] Social Security Card to be National ID?
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:57:31 -0400
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:21:40 CDT, Brian Loe said:
Your SSN and mother's maiden name is so entrenched in the "security" of our financial institutions that it practically invites fraud.
Granted. Notice that in fact, this is a *huge* problem and totally orthogonal to the illegal alien problem.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:YnR2EMUph6sJ:www.consumer.gov/idtheft/pdf/gao-d02830t.pdf+identity+theft+illegal+aliens&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Unfortunately, I'm dense. I tried to read it, and I saw a lot of text that read "there's a lot of identity theft of various forms, and we're not sure of how much there is", and lots of "we've caught lots of illegals using forged papers and similar" - but I'm totally failing to find anyplace where anybody was willing to make a statement of the form "Over NN% of identity theft seems to be driven by illegal aliens and the criminal enterprises that supply the illegals with documents". A moment's thought will show that *forged* documents are probably of more interest than identity *theft*, and conflating the two does neither problem justice. If you're an illegal Mexicano trying to buy a car, having fake documents with your own name on them are likely more useful than documents that say 'Sven Olafson' or 'Timothy Attenborough'. So yes, there's a lot of identity theft. And yes, illegals will try to get hold of forged documents. But my question still stands - how big a chunk of the former problem is the latter problem? Is 2% of identity theft caused by illegals? 20%? 75%?
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