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Re: Re: Security & Obscurity: physical-world analogies
From: gadgeteer () elegantinnovations org
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:17:23 -0600
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 08:06:49AM -0500, Frank Knobbe (frank () knobbe us) wrote:
On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 03:04, gadgeteer () elegantinnovations org wrote:Feel free to play through the same scenario with a wall where "dead" people-packets get purposefully deployed in front of the wall until the last people-packet can climb the packet mountain and pass over the wall.Unfortunately, this tactic has been used in warfare. It has been referred to as the "human wave" attack. :-(But it as a bunch of different people packets. In cyber space it is the copy of one. In the real world you might exhaust your people-packet resources, in cyber space you don't. :) No we're leading discussion down a wrong path again due to a flawed analogy :)
When I put on my 'purist' hat I agree with your extreme position regarding analogies. Even without the hat I agree when the subject matter becomes advanced and specific. OTOH, if a person were to take this purist position and walk into a CEO's office and tell him that he is not smart enough to understand and should therefore give free rein. That person is going to walk back out the door looking for a new gig because they will not be working there. It has been my experience to 1) never talk down to the audience and 2) stay away from analogies with loads of baggage because it leads them to falsely think that they have gained deep insight. An example from physics would be Einstein's clock tower thought experiment. A familar setting (without heavy emotional baggage) but the whole experiment takes place orthogonally to that setting (on a train). Then there is the cat in a box and raisins in oatmeal and we are still talking about the same realm. We have an entire century as example where phyicists worked with the invisible through analogy. In the end, the claim analogies can not be used is to admit a poverty of creativity. "We can not explain this to you because we are not bright enough to think of a good set of analogies." Ouch. -- Chief Gadgeteer Elegant Innovations _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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