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Re: Response to comments on Security and Obscurity
From: Über GuidoZ <uberguidoz () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:33:58 -0400
Personally, I feel it's a VERY valid point. If the only way to fix something, for example, is by training and education, it's entirely possible the time (and resources) necessary to do such a thing isn't there. secfocuslist () yahoo com said:
If you do not have time, and the audience does not care enough to spend the time, then the battle is already lost.
I believe this is entirely two different things (you do not have the time and the audience doesn't care), and usually they don't exist at once in a given situation. (It's one or the other.) However, I will agree that the battle will be lost if no one cares or tries to do anything in a given situation. James Tucker said:
I apologise, but I have spent most of my life at this and I don't know everything, I doubt my audience would donate that much time, even if I gave it.
Agreed. I've been down the same path and have met with resistence when I tried to provide the time and resources necessary to solve a given problem. More often then not I find it's the "audience" that is unwilling. They don't want to take the time to learn something new, train their staff something new, or provide the money to do all, or any of, the above. Pity. -- Peace. ~G On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:42:27 +0100, James Tucker <jftucker () gmail com> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT), Security List <secfocuslist () yahoo com> wrote:Mr. Tucker wrote:Maybe, but you have to educate people somehow, andyou don't have timeto explain everything.This is an excuse and the weak point. If you do not have time, and the audience does not care enough to spend the time, then the battle is already lost.I apologise, but I have spent most of my life at this and I don't know everything, I doubt my audience would donate that much time, even if I gave it. But thank you for your encouragement.
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