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Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.
From: Jesse Valentin <jessevalentin () yahoo com>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:30:17 -0700 (PDT)
Hey Jan, I totally hear your frustration. This is unfortunately a very big issue that we deal with in society on a day to day basis. The "every man for himself" mentality has truly pervaded every level of human interaction. As I'm sure you are aware, this is unfortunately due to a moral breakdown affecting human society and culture that is being seen all over the planet. No matter how many laws are passed or how many policies are written, they are pretty much useless as they are not capable of changing people. The type of solution you are talking of requires a far greater change than just penalties for actions or stronger laws. One of the main things is that people's hearts and mental inclinations need to change... until this is accomplished you can expect to see an ongoing barrage of injustices... Big issues out there! Thanks for the post. Jesse Valentin Information Security Engineer "Clairmont, Jan M" <jan.m.clairmont () citigroup com> wrote: I just don't understand people who think by using some cheap trick they get into my files or website and hack them, that they have no personal responsibility. It's insane to think and criminal that anything you can get into is fair game. Just because I have a cheap lock you can break does not make invading my home or personal property yours. Eh gods man, how does this type of idiotic logic prevail, just becasue I lost my wallet does not constitute your right to use my credit card, atm card and personal information for your enrichment. Because you can get into some sieve unsecured systems gives you the right to exploit or rape a persons bank account, steal their identity and generally destroy someone's life. I have found a number of wallets and purses and returned them intact to the rightful owners, as I have done with computer systems that my friends, neightbors and clients have used with vulnerablilties or virii. Sometimes they didn't even know I helped or fixed something. You know why because I respect the privacy and property of others. And if you don't, you deserve the indignation and the handcuffs they put on you when they drag you down to chinatown, baby. Compute Fair, Compute Fun, Compute secure Jan Clairmont Paladin of Security, Take no Prisoners! Unix Security Support/Consultant _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
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