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Re: Professional Groups
From: Ka <ka () khidr net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:48:08 +0100
Greetings,
This is off topic [...]
No, it's on topic. The following is part of our professional toolbox: + social (incl. financial) conditions we are working under + education/tranings/certifications + human (morale) and machine standards For example: We don't need automated MS patches, most of the boxes just need an admin to look after them now and then. That is all the worm- (and spam-) floods are not a technical problem, but a social one.
[...] What we need is a union.
Yes, and a classic union is not enough. A Guild might be a better word. Something comparable to what the health profession has. Anyway it cannot be limited to a single country. Software-production is too fluid, too easily done anywhere.
Be nice to keep our jobs from going to third world countries where tech professionals are even more exploited than here.
I don't agree. They even need the money more than we do. Not to be international would be a sure killer for such an orginasation. Minimum wages for international projects would be a better solution IMO. And better quality standards, which get obeyed everywhere.
If we are going to change our industry so that we can succeed at our jobs, we need a union. Period.
In a way that "union" or "guild" would be the consequential further development of the Open Source community, I think. Where to start? How? Any pointers? Ka _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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