RE: Re: chat logs

["Stephen Alford" <stephena () sbspros net>]

Melissa, Mihai, et al,
I can see both sides, as a father of 3 teens and a sec pro.  We all went
thru our trials and tribulations as teens and I loved and related well with
my parents.  However, I certainly had moments I preferred keeping between me
and my peers.  I know there were experiences, real & virtual, that I didn't
consider WRONG but still kept from my parents.  Looking back on this with
perspective, I can understand my kids need for privacy, and I also
understand my parental need to ensure they are protected from inadvertently
choosing BAD options.  It is one of our greatest challenges to balance these
needs appropriately.

Thus, like any seasoned sec pro, make sure you assess the whole situation
before applying your solution (and you DON'T NEED TO BE A PARENT TO FOLLOW
THIS).

My 2c worth.

Stephen Alford, MCT, MCSE+Security, CCNA, CCDA, ASE
Director, Partner Practices & Solutions, SBS Pros
Email: stephena () sbspros net 


-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Fischer [mailto:Melissa.Fischer () NorthMemorial com] 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:50 AM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Fwd: Re: chat logs

FYI

Melissa Fischer
Database Administrator
Data  and System Engineering
North Memorial Health Care
763/520-1533
melissa.fischer () northmemorial com

> > > Melissa Fischer 5/13/2005 10:49:39 AM >>>
I understand your concern, apparently you must not be a parent.
I have raised 3 sons, 24, 20 and now an 8 year old.  Teenagers talk to EACH
OTHER, not to their parents.
Our parents HAVE personally talked to their children, looking at files on
their computers is not taking away their privacy, if they are doing nothing
wrong, then there is nothing to hide and have "private".



Melissa Fischer
Database Administrator
Data  and System Engineering
North Memorial Health Care
763/520-1533
melissa.fischer () northmemorial com 

> > > Mihai Amarandei <mihai () xmcopartners com> 5/13/2005 9:45:28 AM >>>
I'm glad too se everyone helping out to find the logs and giving advice 
on how to search those teen-agers web history.
Just me(and this has nothing to do with security), but wouldn't it be 
better that each parent asked directly its children about such incidents 
instead of searching and digining through their logs and web history?
I for one wouldn't like it that my parents knew all my browsing and 
chatting habbits, and I think this is the case for most of today's 
persons. Teens are as ,uch entitled to their privacy "apriori" as anyone 
else in my opinion.
I know all I've said has not much to do with security (actually it has 
to do with privacy), but neither is searching for logs.
I'm not trying to undermine the importance of the threat and the gravity 
of the situation, I just don't think such an intrusion of privacy would 
be a good answer.


Mihai
Blog: http://secinternship.blogspot.com 

Melissa Fischer wrote:

> Our community, Waconia, Minnesota has recently been the victims of
> threats against our children and schools.
> http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5399090.html 
>
> The Emergency Response Task Force assigned to our case asked parents to
> go home and check their kids computers for any chats or emails with
> information.
>
> We are trying to find a document explaining where and what to look at
> to find any information.  We would like to post this on our school main
> page www.waconia.k12.mn.us for a resource for parents to use on how to
> find any information.  Can you tell me where to find this information?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
>
>
> Melissa Fischer
> Database Administrator
> Data  and System Engineering
> North Memorial Health Care
> 763/520-1533
> melissa.fischer () northmemorial com 
>
>  


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