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Re: Which Windows OS is Safest
From: Artturi Lehtiö <artturil () yahoo com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:14:05 +0300
First of all, it seems that this thread is just becoming a war between supporters of different OSes an I agree with Michael that this is leading no where. Some of the advise has been very good but some has been a total waste of time. I would suggest leaving it here as it has already been established that everyone has a different opinion on the subject. Thank you everyone who took the time to write a good comment or a good set of advise. Artturi Lehtiö artturi.lehtio () vidafalt com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Carroll <CarrollM () wclc com> To: 'MARTIN M. Bénoni' <benoni_martin () hotmail com>; <sebastien.andrieu () cetelem fr>; <artturi () vidafalt com>; <security-basics () securityfocus com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Ok, before this thread goes any further off topic, the flames get any higher, and any further misunderstandings occur, please allow me to re-direct it to it's final resting place: # 1 - In my original reply (included below), I mentioned that security was a "POINT OF VIEW". I still maintain this belief and since no further clarification of what the devices will be used for, any further discussion of merits of NT, 2K or 2K3 is moot. # 2 - I do not give blanket endorsement to any one Windows OS. My mention of NT was based on a specific application and needs requirement performed by OUR organization to meet a specific function. NT was the choice for this product; end of discussion. # 3 - Since there has been no further follow up by the original poster, I feel the back and forth banter is pointless. I personally do not care what OS you or anyone else wishes to use, and as such, do not wish to be included on each and every mail that boasts the merits for situations that are not applicable to this discussion. In short, I feel this topic is a dead horse well beaten and should be left to rest. Kindly remove me from ALL future correspondence as I have no interest in continuing this discussion further. Thank you. Michael -----Original Message----- From: MARTIN M. Bénoni [mailto:benoni_martin () hotmail com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:57 AM To: sebastien.andrieu () cetelem fr; Michael Carroll; artturi () vidafalt com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Well, I am running Win2K3 since 2 months, and really it seems to be more secure than NT! W2K is quite good, nevertheless! :) Not only components as IIS 6.0 have been rewrited, but many other tools have been added as the possibility to create server's certificate. No Dr watson all the time...a dream! :) I've just learned NT's support with the above mail (thanks Seb.! : )) seems to be dropped down...Microsoft gives up releasing NT's patchs all the time ?? :) Hopefully for hackers, there is still people who do not understand the meanings of "update", "new release", ...
From: "ANDRIEU Sebastien (Neuilly Gestion)" <sebastien.andrieu () cetelem fr> To: 'MARTIN M. Bénoni' <benoni_martin () hotmail com>, CarrollM () wclc com, artturi () vidafalt com, security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:05:17 +0200 Totally agree with Benoni... Even if Windows NT with his last SP is quite stable, it's not really secured !! Most of the security holes are applicative (IIS 4 is the perfect example...). A lot of services are turned on by default too... Windows 2000 is quite more secured, since the SP2... We use more and more Windows 2003 which provides a lot of security improvements. IIS 6, no useless services turned on by default, applicative stacks much more secured (rewritten code). I recommend a lot Windows 2003. Note that Microsoft stops is technical support on Windows NT at the end of this month, witch means : no more hotfixes, no more SP, no more technical assistance. Isn't it a good reason to stop the use of Windows NT 4.0 ????? Have a good day folks ! :) Sébastien Andrieu Administration Windows Euroatrium / Le Touzet ( 01.49.21.32.34 (3-3234) * sebastien.andrieu () cetelem fr -----Original Message----- From: MARTIN M. Bénoni [mailto:benoni_martin () hotmail com] Sent: lundi 28 juin 2004 14:05 To: CarrollM () wclc com; artturi () vidafalt com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Humm...I cannot understand hom people can still talk about NT when there are at least W2K boxes since a while, and Win2K3! NT has got a lot of bugs (6 SPs!! ), and I think at least a whole which cannot be patched! Why NT is still in admin's minds???From: Michael Carroll <CarrollM () wclc com> To: 'Artturi Lehtiö' <artturi () vidafalt com>,"Mailing List, SecurityBasics"<security-basics () securityfocus com> Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:07:23 -0500 Safest is more of a situational point of view. Depending on the applications,(uses), that the systems will be used for and what functionality is required. From my experience, WindowsNT 4.0 (andServicePack 6a) allowed our organization to implement stable, reliable andsecuremachines. Of course you will have to harden the OS by disabling non-essential services within NT, but a quick search on Google or MS's support site will provide you with a variety of hardening guides to accomplish this task. HTH. Michael carrollm () wclc com -----Original Message----- From: Artturi Lehtiö [mailto:artturil () yahoo co uk] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:16 AM To: Mailing List, Security Basics Subject: Which Windows OS is Safest I would like to know what is regarded as the safest Windows OS as Ineedto set up a few new computers for system administrators to use and I would like to use a Windows OS as the system administrators who will be using the computers have only experience with Windows. 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- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest, (continued)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest MARTIN M. Bénoni (Jun 28)
- Re: Which Windows OS is Safest Eystein Roll Aarseth (Jun 29)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Leon North (Jun 29)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Rusty Chiles (Jun 29)
- Re: Which Windows OS is Safest Eoin Fleming (Jun 29)
- Re: Which Windows OS is Safest Cameron Reign (Jun 29)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest MARTIN M. Bénoni (Jun 29)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest GKornblum (Jun 29)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest Guybrush Threepwood (Jun 30)
- Re: Which Windows OS is Safest MARTIN M. Bénoni (Jun 29)
- Re: Which Windows OS is Safest Artturi Lehtiö (Jun 30)
- RE: Which Windows OS is Safest MARTIN M. Bénoni (Jun 28)