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RE: Wlan @ bestbuy is cleartext?


From: "Matthew Leeds" <mleeds () theleeds net>
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:17:11 -0700

If the corporate image is so important (and I certainly believe it is), then how companies deal with security, how 
companies implement and prioritize security, how they respond to security concerns, all these and more are part of the 
analysis that admins must perform as they present a cost/benefit discussion that deals with each and every new system 
(and existing systems). Raising the level of awareness of the total cost of ownership, the total cost of a security 
breach, the total risk of such a breach, all this and more is the responsibility of whomever has ownership of the IT 
vision within a company. It's important to understand that today, security risks undertaken by an organization may/will 
come to light under the scrutiny of the public/press at some future time, and that there are costs with respect to 
taking those risks.

This overflows into other areas of organization behavior. Organizations that choose to engage in risky behavior, 
whether with respect to IT security, or in other areas, find that the equation of risk/reward is shifting, as increased 
public/press scrutiny is applied. What were the long term effect of the Bhopal accident to Union Carbide, the Exxon 
Valdez oil spill to Exxon, of the Enron scandal? How has public behavior towards these organizations changed as a 
result of their willingness to engage in risky behavior? Unless and until there is a consequence, unless and until the 
public at large acts, you are likely to see the inertia of large organizations continue, with short-term cost/benefit 
analysis instead of long-term analysis being the norm.

---Matthew
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On 5/7/2002 at 1:07 AM Ron DuFresne wrote:


It's a problem of security often not being driven from the top down.  and
this is so common in the IT industry.  Some have pointed out how security
might well be a finacial burden some companies are well willing to forego
and bearout the costs of compromises, seeing it as a cheaper alternative.
Many are failing to understand that security can have an impact upon how
their corporate image can be percieved to those they do business with, and
to their direct customers. And this has been one of the problems faced by
a number of very visable security related companies.  Image/reputation is
a cost sometimes well above what can be bornout by the beancounters and
upper managment.  HIPPA is going to have a very substantial impact on
companies, if the government can find a way to rally audit and validate
compliance.  So many of those that will have to comply are so far out in
left feild of securely managing the information they are tasked with we
might well see a fallout of major attempts to get under the security
umbrella on par to the issues faced with trying to deal with y2k issues a
few years back.

Still, alas, few of the admins I've had the 'pleasure' of working with
really paid security a serious  visual at all.  Most seem to have
forgotten more then they retained.  Afterall security begins with the OS
install.  And most seem to have learned far too many bad habits to
sometimes even adapt when an organization does push security in a top down
manner.  Often they are more difficult to bring 'onboard' then the end
users.


Thanks,

Ron DuFresne
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