RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin

[Richard Rager <kb8rln () PENGUINMASTER COM>]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:

> In my opinion, Radar Detector devices have no legitimate usage;
therefore,
> they can be confiscated on sight.
> On the other hand, a tool such as Kismet or Netstumbler can be used by a
> qualified security analyst to perform risk testing on a wireless network.
>
> But since I am not a lawyer, either, I may be full of crap.
>
> -Jason

  I am not a lawyer either but I have my Extra Class Amateur Radio
Licence.  I have used a radar detector and a break checker (10 Ghz cw
transmitter) for at 10 Ghz QSO (talk to some on on the air).  If you
have a radio detector with a signal strength meter you can have a AM 10
Ghz receiver.  I bought all this for less then 50 dollar not bad.

  If you would like more information look at http://www.arrl.com.  By the
way if some one has their a FCC Amateur licence it my be hard to remove
there radio transmitter/receiver for 10 Ghz.  Fed law normal over rule
state law.


Just wanted to point out that a radar detector can be used for good uses.

By the way here are the some of the frequencies that can be used for
Amateur Radio.

      2300-2310 MHz
      2390-2450 MHz - WAP11 band  2400Mhz - 2483.5Mhz is the
                      North America,
                      Europe,
                      Korea and Extended Japan Band

      3300-3500 MHz
      5650-5925 MHz
      10.0-10.5 GHz  -   Radio Detector
      24.0-24.25 GHz
      47.0-47.2 GHz
      75.5-81.0 GHz
      119.98-120.02 GHz
      142-149 GHz
      241-250 GHz
All above 300 GHz

Note: Highest know QSO is at 1200 Ghz.  That I know of.







> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralf Dreibrodt [mailto:ralf () dreibrodt de]
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 01:23 PM
> To: ZeroBreak
> Cc: Security Focus - Vulnerability Development
> Subject: Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin
>
>
> Hi,
>
> one example:
>
> ZeroBreak wrote:
> > The frequencies used are all open to the public.
>
> AFAIK the frequencies of a radar trap are open to the public.
>
>  > It does not send out any
> > probes, it sits in promiscuous mode and pulls in packets and gives an
> > output like netstumbler. That goes a step further than netstumbler. Your
> > card isn't sending anything at all it's just listening.
>
> a radar warning system is only listenig to the "pakets" and gives an alarm.
>
> in the meanwhile in germany every policemen is allowed to seize a radar
> warning system, if he sees one. it even doesn't have to be switched on.
>
> perhaps there is any lawyer on the list?!?
>
> i will see one in about one month, perhaps i can ask for his opinion
> about sniffing in an unprotected wireless lan, but i think at least in
> germany it is not allowed.
>
> bye
> Ralf

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