Re: TCP Portals: The Handshake's a Lie!

[Martin Roesch <roesch () sourcefire com>]

You'd probably want to try to modify something like fragroute...


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jason Brvenik <jasonb () sourcefire com>wrote:

> I don't think netcat will do it. There needs to be a stack
> modification to do the handshake in this manner or an app that will do
> it while suppressing the existing stack.
>
> I can think of a quick and dirty iptables / libdnet app but don't have
> the time to implement at the moment. Someone could probably do it
> quickly with iptables and scapy too.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:25 PM, CunningPike <cunningpike () gmail com>
> wrote:
> > I can provide the server - but would need a little hand-holding to make
> sure
> > it was replicating this behavior properly. Perhaps a netcat listener of
> some
> > kind?
> >
> > CP
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Jason Brvenik <jasonb () sourcefire com>
> > wrote:
> > > My casual read on it was that you would have to be dealing with a
> > > malicious server which deliberately responds to a syn with a syn and
> > > that the likelihood of that is not the greatest. If it does happen the
> > > server is going to be doing a lot of other more malicious things. My
> > > presumptions are:
> > >
> > > - An inbound SYN that is not acknowledging a syn at the same time is
> > > going to be blocked by firewalls if properly configured.
> > >
> > > - Even a properly configured border router will be blocking inbound
> > > syn only for non-services ports.
> > >
> > > - Any attack relying on local segment access that is a concern means
> > > that you have already failed.
> > >
> > > Who would like to provide a server on the net so that people can test
> > > their devices in a full life cycle test? Simple web page returned that
> > > says "It Worked!" would suffice.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Martin Roesch <roesch () sourcefire com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:11 PM, CunningPike <cunningpike () gmail com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I haven't seen much commentary on this:
> http://www.breakingpointsystems.com/community/blog/tcp-portals-the-three-way-handshake-is-a-lie
> .
> > > > > Do any of the snort sigs or preprocessors rely on a SYN/ACK packet
> for
> > > > > state
> > > > > and/or flow?
> > > >
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > Stream5 handles the TCP handshaking for the system, I don't think that
> > > > anything else in the codebase cares about the TWH.  I'd have to read
> the
> > > > code and maybe turn on the debug statements to understand the full
> > > > effect, I
> > > > know at least some of the state handling handles the SYNs and ACKs
> > > > separately but there could be issues with things like midstream
> pickups
> > > > and
> > > > so on.
> > > >
> > > > Marty
> > > >
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