Re: v2.8.4 incorrect logging to MySQL

[Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com>]

Wrong again!

"by your logic" -- if you thought that was the logic in my posts, then  
this provides much more insight into the lack of understanding out  
there.

The content on Aanval is copyright, the source for Drupal and  
contributed works are copyright their respective owners and adheres to  
the license it was released under.

I would have thought this type of knowledge is just quite common.

Silly, silly, silly.

On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:40 PM, JJ Cummings wrote:

> Also, by your logic... any website that was created using Drupal (a  
> GPL project that I am sure you are quite familiar with, that has  
> TONS of contributed code etc etc...) should probably NOT have a  
> copyright at the bottom?  I mean, it's the same logic... so I'm just  
> sayin is all...
>
> kthx
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com>  
> wrote:
>
> Was that sarcasm?
>
> Cause I think I might know the facility you are talking about. ;-)
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:08 PM, JJ Cummings wrote:
>
> > I am pretty sure that this clearly states the source will be  
> > completely closed... i.e. transcribed into ancient  Egyptian,  
> > sealed with the seal of the Royal Pig, locked in a vault with 10'  
> > thick walls.. buried deep within an undisclosed NBC facility that  
> > has a large detail of highly trained special ops guards on  
> > duty...... right?
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM, pieter claassen <pieter () claassen co uk 
> > > wrote:
> > This is from the license file included in snortsp-3.0.0b3:
> >
> > * The Snort Security Platform and its included engine module software
> > * ("Snort") is the copyrighted work  of Sourcefire, Inc. (C)  
> > 2007-2008
> > * Sourcefire, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.  This program is free  
> > software; you
> > * may use, redistribute and/or modify this  software only under the  
> > terms
> > * and conditions of the GNU General Public License as published by  
> > the Free
> > * Software Foundation; Version 2 with the clarifications and  
> > exceptions
> > * described below.
> > ...
> >
> > Are you saying there is something else happening here?
> >
> > Pieter
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Loyal A Moses  
> > <loyalmoses () mac com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Marty,
> > >
> > > Do you mean open source as in GPL or equivalent or as in we can all
> > > read the source?
> > >
> > > A quote from you:
> > >
> > > "We're also saying that people who want to
> > > contribute code to the project do so with the knowledge that we're
> > > going to consider the code as assigned to Sourcefire unless other
> > > arrangements are made."
> > >
> > > That doesn't sound so "open source" to me and more like a charade.
> > >
> > > And another quote in the same posting by you:
> > >
> > > "Given that we need to be able to offer Snort under an alternative
> > > license for commercial integrators who are integrating Snort and
> > > don't want to adhere to the GPL it's essential that we retain the
> > > right to relicense the totality of the codebase."
> > >
> > > Now, there is the real reason.
> > >
> > > Just be direct and communicate that version 3 will not be GPL and
> > > Sourcefire will now retain all rights. Unless you plan on having  
> > two
> > > source branches with zero intellectual-property cross over and
> > > licensed independently.
> > >
> > > I am not hostile towards the concept. The concept is business and  
> > it
> > > is what it is.
> > >
> > > Loyal.
> > >
> > > On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Martin Roesch wrote:
> > >
> > >> Snort 3.0 is open source.
> > >>
> > >> Marty
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Loyal A Moses  
> > <loyalmoses () mac com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Snort is open source, until version 3. But that is a whole other
> > >>> argument.
> > >>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Joel Esler wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> No one is taking a vote, we just said, "if we had a vote in  
> > it..."
> > >>> I'd
> > >>> rather take the code out of the IDS/IPS and put it into an output
> > >>> module.
> > >>>  One that is maintained well (as Shawn said).
> > >>> Snort is an open source program, I don't see harm in discussion  
> > on
> > >>> Snort's
> > >>> own mailing lists do you?
> > >>> J
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com 
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is Sourcefire limited on development skill or man power?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It makes no sense at all to remove one of the most common  
> > facilities
> > >>>> in use by snort users because it is "too complex".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the end, you'll do what you are going to do regardless of the
> > >>>> community -- we've seen it before. But don't use "complexity"  
> > and
> > >>>> "bugs" as the excuse.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sourcefire is a publicly traded company -- Is it smart to be  
> > taking
> > >>>> votes on product development from a mailing list? I wouldn't  
> > think
> > >>>> so.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Loyal.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jason Brvenik wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I have an ulterior motive and it is simple.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Many of the bugs and issues over time with snort have been in
> > >>>>> output
> > >>>>> plugins. Make one well supported, tested, unified method  
> > designed
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>> best performance and while doing so it improves the
> > >>>>> supportability and
> > >>>>> maintainability of the code base.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Loyal A Moses <loyalmoses () mac com 
> > >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> My vote is to provide as many output options as possible, to  
> > help
> > >>>>>> keep
> > >>>>>> snort used as a tool.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The argument of code complexity being a good reason to remove
> > >>>>>> output
> > >>>>>> facilities is only valid if the code is written poorly and not
> > >>>>>> modular. This wheel doesn't need re-invented and this
> > >>>>>> conversation is
> > >>>>>> kind of silly, unless there is ulterior motives for actually
> > >>>>>> wanting
> > >>>>>> to remove this support.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Loyal.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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