RE: Re: CAUTION: Long Rant!!! Re: [Snort-sigs] Broken 1429.2 (POLICY poll.gotomypc.com access)

["Esler, Joel - Contractor" <joel.esler () rcert-s army mil>]

However, while [1] was dripping with sarcasm and smarta** answers, I
found it to be true, useful, and <coughs>funny</coughs>

J

-----Original Message-----
From: snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net
[mailto:snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net] On Behalf Of Bamm
Visscher
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:47 PM
To: Eric Hines
Cc: mjonkman () infotex com; Brian; snort-sigs () lists sourceforge net;
snort-users () lists sourceforge net
Subject: [Snort-users] Re: CAUTION: Long Rant!!! Re: [Snort-sigs] Broken
1429.2 (POLICY poll.gotomypc.com access)


I'll admit to also being the type (like Brian) who abuses the sarcasm
key on his keyboard on a regular basis. Sometimes, people Some may even
consider my personality abusive  (a good friend recently joked that it's
a wonder I have as many friends as I do). I've also been on opposite
sides of heated discussions with practically everyone with a snort.org
mailing address (I think my picture may be permanently affixed to
Marty's dart board). With that said, I have to back Brian on this. These
lists have many different types of personalities, and to think flame
wars and other heated discussions aren't going to occur in such a public
forum is simply ignorant.  The important part is that the parties
involved either reconcile, agree to disagree, or whatever. Looks like
that has occurred in this case and it's unfortunate that you felt the
need to jump in and stir the pot (why the cross posts to snort-users?).

In further defense of Brian, I don't see how his response to your posts
are 'out of line'. Most of the time your posts are really just poor
attempts to pimp your proprietary product or "research paper" and while
trying to disguise it as help or advice anyway.  I think this [0] is the
post you were refering to and here [1] is Brian's response.  Read the
entire thread to get a bigger picture.  See, the problem with these
posts of yours is they are flat out wrong, yet you attempt to protray
yourself as an authority on the subject and then you get upset when
someone calls you out.

And finally, this quote from you just cracks me up, especially coming
from someone who seems to feel the neeed  to ammend a bunch of
meaningless certs and an irrelevant title to every posts.

> One thing in life you'll learn pretty quickly is that respect is 
> earned, not given to you because of your status or who you are.

Bammkkkk

P.S.

BTW, this post is NOT a solicitation for you to contact me directly in
an attempt to pimp your product (again).  I shouldn't need to add this,
but you seem to have a lack of common sense in that regards.
 
[0]
http://www.pantek.com/library/general/lists/snort.org/snort-sigs/msg0013
3.html
[1]
http://www.pantek.com/library/general/lists/snort.org/snort-sigs/msg0013
8.html
  
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:07:27 -0500, Eric Hines
<eric.hines () appliedwatch com> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I will have to concur with Matt Jonkman here. You have a track record 
> of degrading people in open forums and have done so to me on several 
> occasions with no hesitation since I first started posting. The first 
> occurrence I can remember was attempting to help the community make 
> signatures for a new worm that came out. Your only response was to 
> attack me for using reserved SIDs. You attack people on a consistent 
> basis and am frankly getting sick and tired of you and your ego trips.
>
> One instance recently I'd like to bring up was your response to my 
> post to Sam Evans who was inquiring about anyone who had run Vmware 
> server + Snort. I merely offered the fact that several of our 
> customers use it and you took the opportunity to not only attack my 
> post but put words in my mouth and attacked me in an open forum while 
> doing so.
>
> I don't know what your story is Brian, but everyone I've spoken to 
> that you've ripped a new hole in on mailing lists would like to see 
> your attitude take a major change. After all, you are the face of 
> snort.org -- you should represent it with more professionalism and 
> courtesy to the community.
>
> Thank God someone here had the audacity to finally say something to 
> you.
>
> One thing in life you'll learn pretty quickly is that respect is 
> earned, not given to you because of your status or who you are.
>
>
> Eric Hines, GCIA, CISSP
> CEO, President
> Applied Watch Technologies, Inc.

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