Re: InformIT: comparing static analysis tools

[Ben Laurie <benl () google com>]

On 4 February 2011 09:22, Chris Wysopal <cwysopal () veracode com> wrote:

> “Breaking news.  Google says not to use the cloud.  Improving on-premise
> tools is the future.”

My view is personal. However, in general, whether the cloud is a good place
for your data depends on your data and the relationship you have with the
cloud provider. If your boss says "no, you can't push this stuff outside our
network" then clearly the cloud is not the right answer (or your boss
doesn't understand the problem).


> Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. J
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> -Chris
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> *From:* Ben Laurie [mailto:benl () google com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 11:34 AM
> *To:* Jim Manico
> *Cc:* Chris Wysopal; Secure Code Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools
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> On 3 February 2011 16:02, Jim Manico <jim.manico () owasp org> wrote:
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> Chris,
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> I've tried to leverage Veracode in recent engagements. Here is how the
> conversation went:
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> Jim:
> "Boss, can I upload all of your code to this cool SaaS service for
> analysis?"
>
> Client:
> "Uh no, and next time you ask, I'm having you committed".
>
> I'm sure you have faced these objections before. How do you work around
> them?
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> Don't use SaaS, obviously.
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> I'd rather see LLVM's static analysis tools get improved (the framework,
> btw, is really nice to work with).
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> -Jim Manico
> http://manico.net
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> On Feb 3, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chris Wysopal <cwysopal () veracode com> wrote:
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> > Nice article.  In the 5 years Veracode has been selling static analysis
> services we have seen the market mature.  In the beginning, organizations
> were down in the weeds. "What false positive rate or false negative rate
> does the tool/service have over a test suite such as SAMATE."  Then we saw a
> move up to looking at the trees.  "Did the tool/service support the Java
> frameworks I am using?"  Now we are seeing organizations look at the forest.
> "Can I scale static analysis effectively over all my development sites, my
> outsourcers, and vendors?"  This is a good sign of a maturing market.
> > It is my firm belief that software security has a consumption problem.
>  We know what the defects are.  We know how to fix them.  We even have
> automation for detecting a lot of them.  The problem is getting the
> information and technology to the right person at the right time effectively
> and managing an organization-wide program.  This is the next challenge for
> static analysis. <bias-alert>I think SaaS based software is more easily
> consumed and this isn't any different for software security</bias-alert>
> > -Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sc-l-bounces () securecoding org [mailto:
> sc-l-bounces () securecoding org] On Behalf Of Gary McGraw
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:49 AM
> > To: Secure Code Mailing List
> > Subject: [SC-L] InformIT: comparing static analysis tools
> >
> > hi sc-l,
> >
> > John Steven and I recently collaborated on an article for informIT.  The
> article is called "Software [In]security: Comparing Apples, Oranges, and
> Aardvarks (or, All Static Analysis Tools Are Not Created Equal)" and is
> available here:
> > http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1680863
> >
> > Now that static analysis tools like Fortify and Ounce are hitting the
> mainstream there are many potential customers who want to compare them and
> pick the best one.  We explain why that's more difficult than it sounds at
> first and what to watch out for as you begin to compare tools.  We did this
> in order to get out in front of "test suites" that purport to work for tool
> comparison.  If you wonder why such suites may not work as advertised, read
> the article.
> > Your feedback is welcome.
> >
> > gem
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