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RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords"
From: "dave kleiman" <dave () isecureu com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:32:10 -0400
Pierre, I beg to differ with you. I have utilized our company lab to test many cracking tools. (Cain, L0pht, and AccessData) The fact that they allow custom character sets does not work against certain portions of the extended ASCII set, because there is discretion in the mappings. Try this: Open word and wordpad. Try ALT-228 in both, see the difference. This is where I have found the problem stems from, because it is only the ALT characters that map differently that the "crackers" cannot crack. Mark Burnett is writing new book "Perfect Passwords: Selection, Protection, Authentication" maybe there will be some light shed on this subject from there. Regards, Dave
-----Original Message----- From: Dufresne, Pierre [mailto:PIERRE.DUFRESNE () MESS GOUV QC CA] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 14:58 To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" I hope everybody following this thread is aware that whether any version of a cracking tool can crack or not non-printable characters is irrelevant. If it can't, the authors could probably patch their tool very fast. As someone mentioned earlier, the game is now: how do you protect the hashes when a computer is lost or stolen? I work in a Windows environment. The only immediate measure I can think of is the use of SYSKEY with a password prompt. Could anyone provide me with other simple solution? Thanks Note to moderator: may be it would be better to start a new thread with a subject like "hashes protection in Windows" Thanks PierreHi Dave, Lepton's Crack can, for sure. I dunno if the version withnon-printablecharacters is 20040914 or 20040916 (the later is not online, I'm afraid, I have it on a CD somewhere). Just had a look at the CHANGES file:> 20040914/ - Added support for any ASCII character (ie. alsonon-printable) inthe charset and regex definition, via \0(octal), \x(hex), \(decimal) Do a Google search for password cracker "non printable" characters And have fun collating the results. Cheers, Miguel -----Original Message----- From: dave kleiman [mailto:dave () isecureu com] Sent: 26 September 2005 15:00 To: 'Miguel Dilaj' Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com .Subject: RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with LanManager (LM) underWindows" and "Whitespace in passwords"Regarding "Whitespace in passwords", and as some people already mentioned, modern password cracking software (both commercial and free) can find non-printable chars, so space or ALT-whatever are going to be found anyway. Rainbow tables now tend toinclude space,but I still haven't heard of anyone producing a table for0x00-0xff(0x0000-0xffff if you use extended unicode chars ;-)Applications CANbe broken by using strange characters, so YMMV.Can you provide a list of those that have that ability, Iwill gladlytest them. The most popular ones cannot i.e. L0pht, Cain etc. See: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/88/312263 Dave-------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Audit your website security with Acunetix Web Vulnerability Scanner: Hackers are concentrating their efforts on attacking applications on your website. Up to 75% of cyber attacks are launched on shopping carts, forms, login pages, dynamic content etc. Firewalls, SSL and locked-down servers are futile against web application hacking. Check your website for vulnerabilities to SQL injection, Cross site scripting and other web attacks before hackers do! Download Trial at: http://www.securityfocus.com/sponsor/pen-test_050831 -------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------
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Current thread:
- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) und er Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Dufresne, Pierre (Sep 28)
- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" dave kleiman (Sep 29)
- Re: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Thor (Hammer of God) (Sep 29)
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- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) und er Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Dufresne, Pierre (Sep 29)