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RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) und er Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords"
From: "Dufresne, Pierre" <PIERRE.DUFRESNE () MESS GOUV QC CA>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:57:33 -0400
I hope everybody following this thread is aware that whether any version of a cracking tool can crack or not non-printable characters is irrelevant. If it can't, the authors could probably patch their tool very fast. As someone mentioned earlier, the game is now: how do you protect the hashes when a computer is lost or stolen? I work in a Windows environment. The only immediate measure I can think of is the use of SYSKEY with a password prompt. Could anyone provide me with other simple solution? Thanks Note to moderator: may be it would be better to start a new thread with a subject like "hashes protection in Windows" Thanks Pierre
Hi Dave, Lepton's Crack can, for sure. I dunno if the version with non-printable characters is 20040914 or 20040916 (the later is not online, I'm afraid, I have it on a CD somewhere). Just had a look at the CHANGES file:> 20040914/ - Added support for any ASCII character (ie. also non-printable) in the charset and regex definition, via \0(octal), \x(hex), \(decimal) Do a Google search for password cracker "non printable" characters And have fun collating the results. Cheers, Miguel -----Original Message----- From: dave kleiman [mailto:dave () isecureu com] Sent: 26 September 2005 15:00 To: 'Miguel Dilaj' Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com .Subject: RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM)
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Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords"Regarding "Whitespace in passwords", and as some people already mentioned, modern password cracking software (both commercial and free) can find non-printable chars, so space or ALT-whatever are going to be found anyway. Rainbow tables now tend to include space, but I still haven't heard of anyone producing a table for 0x00-0xff (0x0000-0xffff if you use extended unicode chars ;-) Applications CAN be broken by using strange characters, so YMMV.Can you provide a list of those that have that ability, I will gladly test them. The most popular ones cannot i.e. L0pht, Cain etc. See: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/88/312263 Dave
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Current thread:
- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) und er Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Dufresne, Pierre (Sep 28)
- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" dave kleiman (Sep 29)
- Re: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) under Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Thor (Hammer of God) (Sep 29)
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- RE: Password "security" - was"Passwords with Lan Manager (LM) und er Windows" and "Whitespace in passwords" Dufresne, Pierre (Sep 29)