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RE: Ethical Hacking Training
From: "Teicher, Mark (Mark)" <teicher () avaya com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:09:40 -0700
Talisker, I still have an issue with the term "Ethical hacking" It was a term born out of the Big Six when they were trying build their security practices and leverage their existing client base. I still feel the term is somewhat of slant on those who practice "holistic security" and actually attempt to help customers improve their network security posture instead of pointing out the "glaring" hole that those who practice "Ethical Hacking" like to do. I have worked in the past with those who preach and teach "Ethical Hacking" Many of those people have published books exploiting that exact theme. Why not spend the time in researching how to correct security exploits in enforcing secure coding standards and forcing vendors to clean up their act and making their products work more efficiently and securely. /mark -----Original Message----- From: Rob Shein [mailto:shoten () starpower net] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:58 PM To: 'Andy Cuff [Talisker]'; pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Ethical Hacking Training One thing to watch out for is something Foundstone did at one point. They took note of the companies from which everyone came, and eventually ran a rather large advertisement which named every company that in any way competed with them, which further insinuated that these companies only knew what they knew from attending Foundstone training. I know this because the company I worked for at the time was named; one of our people had attended a seminar out of curiosity (he was let go as a result).
-----Original Message----- From: Andy Cuff [Talisker] [mailto:lists () securitywizardry com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:16 PM To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Ethical Hacking Training Hi all, I've just been adding a few more ethical hacking training providers to
the site at http://www.securitywizardry.com/hacking.htm > the site now
has details on 23 such courses and their numbers are increasing all the time. I'm looking for articles or advice, not on ethical hacking but what a potential student should look for in such a course and pitfalls to avoid. Apart from "don't bother, buy a book" ;o) I've recently added some new offerings from 7Safe, Net-Security Training who used to provide Verisign courses and Lever. The Sensepost site from South Africa seems to be down does anyone know
what has become of them and whether this is a temporary glitch or if yet another provider has gone down the pan? The best I've heard of yet, was the suggestion to hold the course during a Caribbean cruise!! The courses are heavy enough without hangovers and sea sickness to worry about, also imagine justifying it to the boss!! I didn't post that one on the site. Any details on other courses that I'm missing are always welcome, especially outside the UK or USA which seem to be the most prolific at
the moment. take care -andy Talisker Security Tools Directory http://www.securitywizardry.com -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- --------------
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Current thread:
- Ethical Hacking Training Andy Cuff [Talisker] (Jan 15)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training Rob Shein (Jan 16)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Andy Cuff [Talisker] (Jan 16)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training rob (Jan 18)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Jeremiah Cornelius (Jan 18)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Andy Cuff [Talisker] (Jan 16)
- SUMMARY: Re: Ethical Hacking Training Andy Cuff [Talisker] (Jan 19)
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- RE: Ethical Hacking Training charl van der walt (Jan 16)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training Teicher, Mark (Mark) (Jan 18)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Jimi Thompson (Jan 19)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Steve Kemp (Jan 19)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Tim Gurney (Jan 20)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training Rob Shein (Jan 20)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Jimi Thompson (Jan 19)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training Rob Shein (Jan 16)
- RE: Ethical Hacking Training Pete Herzog (Jan 19)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Mike Hoskins (Jan 20)
- Re: Ethical Hacking Training Meritt James (Jan 19)