Re: Best ROI Combination - Metasploit & Training

[Arch Angel <arch3angel () gmail com>]

I have on my calendar to contact tenable regarding the other software in 
hopes to fill this gap, and has been for a few days.  I'm looking to 
work on a whole new direction with the infrastructure design after some 
consideration.  I believe that if the design is tweaked a bit I will not 
only get a super easy growth potential but also a much more cost 
effective solution.  This solution may not be in the favor of NexPose, 
but may work well with Security Center/Nessus or nCircle.

The requirement for Q1 Labs, QRadar product is because the global 
headquarters has already made steps to purchase this solution and 
negotiated global pricing, which honestly is fine with me.  They would 
not have been my first choice, but in that same breath are not a bad 
solution.  In the "Supported Products" document Nessus is not a 
supported Vulnerability Management solution, but Tenable Security Center 
is supported.  I believe they are doing this by feeding Security Center 
the Nessus data and then pulling this data from Security Center into 
QRadar.  So ultimately it is supported and is not an issue as of now.  I 
just needed to be cautious of this as a minor mistake now could 
potentially turn into a very costly and timely mistake by the end of 2013.

One thing that has been bothering me for the last few days has been the 
way NexPose handled credential scanning of *nix* systems.  I do not feel 
a warm and fuzzy in my tummy about root being used like this.  Not 
saying good or bad from a security stand point we all know allowing root 
direct login is well..... "less than ideal", but more so the maturity of 
a product which still has such a feature.  Again it boils down to a warm 
and fuzzy, and I'm just not feeling that one.

I am on absolutely no timeline to complete this!  I have no intentions 
of rushing into a solution just because the "end of year sales price is 
expiring", this tactic actually tends to push me away.  Whether that is 
corporate environment or my personal collection of pauldotcom bobble 
head dolls :-) I'm just not a person who runs for the discount, the 
discount may not always be a true cost reduction over the long haul.  I 
mean seriously, my Larry Bobble Head broke 30 minutes after opening it.  
Although I was trying to find the RFID tag, but I digress..

I appreciate the feedback, it's really good to bounce ideas off others 
in the community and get the good/bad of others experiences with products.

P.s. There never was any Pauldotcom booble head dolls for the trolls who 
are already emailing Paul asking how to get them. However, there is 
pictures of Larry being "searched" for the RFID tag by TSA.  Open Google 
and do an image search for Larry's alias "John Strand" and it will show 
still shows of where he placed the RFID tag.

--

Thank you,

Robert Miller
http://www.armoredpackets.com

Twitter: @arch3angel

On 12/13/12 2:23 PM, Todd Haverkos wrote:
> Arch Angel <arch3angel () gmail com> writes:
> > Honestly Albert, I can't say that I have a legitment "reason" per say.  I
> > have found, in my experience, to get the full benefit of Nessus you really
> > need Security Center and the other products, but in general that's not a
> > real reason, just a personal opinion.  I have just seen NexPose as a better
> > product over all, in look, feel, and acurancy.  However, again this is just
> > my opinion I really don't have a reason outside personal preference I guess.
> >
> > I'm not opposed to diving deeper into Nessus and learning the advanatges or
> > capabilities though.
> Robert,
>
> I would encourage shooting out Nexpose and Security Center side by
> side with an evaluation that gets sales engineers involved and get a
> quote early on for what you need.
>
> It's a fair point that Nexpose does more for an enterprise than Nessus
> alone does.  Nessus is definitely a vulnerability scanner, but it it
> not alone an enterprise-centric vulnerability management and reporting
> system.  Security Center fills that role, as you hint.
>
> Nexpose and Security Center side by side is the apples to apples
> comparison.
>
> Cost as of 2 years ago was within the same ballpark and was sized per
> IP's.  If you need or want additional scan zones/scanners for a
> segmented network, one vendor hits you additional for those, another
> vendor doesn't.
>
> Get SE's from both companies involved.  Pay attention to memory needed
> and how fast similar breadth and depth scans come back, if
> virtualization is important to you, see how each performs in that
> environment.  Test the support channels.  Weigh which evil
> (Java/Flash/HTML5) you want to live with to use the interfaces, decide
> how important a scriptable API might be to you to mine vuln data.
> Also consider the OS's of your target environment.   One scanner for
> instance deals with *nix OS's and authenticated scans thereof a lot
> more elegantly than another.
>
> I know which way I went and I've been rather happy.   I don't at all
> regret the time taken to do a full technical shootout of both.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Todd Haverkos, LPT MsCompE
> http://haverkos.com/
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