Re: breaking in to security, trying to get answers

[Kevin Shaw <kevin.lee.shaw () gmail com>]

Been there, have seen that. I bet we all can name a few  cruisers, and I
bet more than a few of us on this list are the above and beyonders or we
would not be writing emails on Sunday.
On Feb 26, 2012 4:02 PM, "Butturini, Russell" <
Russell.Butturini () healthways com> wrote:

> Maybe this will help with your question.  When I taught at ITT Tech in the
> infosec program, we used to have students hired who were graduates of the
> information security program there into entry level information security
> jobs such as IDS analysts, entry level positions on threat & vulnerability
> management teams (duties such as managing and coordinating Nessus scans
> etc. with the application owners), identity management and account
> provisioning functions, etc. To answer the second part of your question,
> it's hard to say.  ITT is very much a "you get out of it what you put into
> it" university, so many of the students who were my favorites, like the
> ones who read things outside of class, stayed after to ask questions, and
> were very actively involved and desired to learn, did quite well.  Some of
> the others who cruised through and did just what was needed to earn the
> credit hours who took these jobs floundered.  I think that very much
> translates into their real life jobs, as the
>  y're only going to get the very basic and on the job training types of
> jobs above.  The ones who have succeded are the ones who actively learned
> and expanded their skillsets past earning their degrees, and engaged their
> employers to do more advanced work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pauldotcom-bounces () mail pauldotcom com [mailto:
> pauldotcom-bounces () mail pauldotcom com] On Behalf Of Robin Wood
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:47 PM
> To: PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] breaking in to security, trying to get answers
>
> On 25 February 2012 11:30, Kevin Shaw <kevin.lee.shaw () gmail com> wrote:
> > I went the start from scratch route, after doing help desk then moving to
> > something like post sales and QA, my resume was picked off monster
> because I
> > was located near the place that needed entry level type intrusion
> analysts.
> > Back then getting moved or promoted into other areas was easy if you
> > demonstrated aptitude and a willingness to learn more. I think the same
> > holds true today, but finding those doors in can be harder with
> established
> > SOCs and similar who often are more critical of experience and may be
> > looking for more senior people. You almost need an internship type
> program.
>
> Seems to be the way most people over 25 or so got into it, under that
> age people are going to uni to study it and coming in directly.
>
> Are there any employers out there who have taken on people directly
> from university? How do they go, without the background do they manage
> to pick things up and if so how long?
>
> Robin
>
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