Google and China

[nberthaume at gmail.com (Nicholas B.)]

Does it seem connected to anyone else that a country willing to
suppress it's people with the "People's Army" would be willing to
stoop to any measure regardless of moral implication or trade
agreement?  It seems to me that when you make a deal with the devil or
his nihlist brother Bob you will eventually get burned.

On 1/14/10, Nathan Sweaney <NSweaney at tulsacash.com> wrote:
> It makes you wonder if Google has strong evidence to suggest that the
> Chinese government was directly involved.  That would seem like reason
> enough to back out of the censorship deal.  We help you, then you hack us?
> If the attackers were targeting Chinese users that would also seem to
> indicate the government.  It doesn't make sense that Chinese hackers would
> target only other Chinese users for any other reason.
>
> Nathan
>
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> [mailto:pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wood
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] Google and China
>
> The media, and maybe Google themselves, are lumping the censorship and
> the hacking incident together as a reason to pull out but I don't see
> how the two are related. Whether or not they are in China they can
> still be targets of Chinese hackers. There is some evidence that the
> current lot were going after the accounts of Chinese users but other
> companies, such as Adobe, were also attacked so it wasn't all about
> one Chinese group attacking another.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Robin
>
> 2010/1/14 Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller at gmail.com>:
> > I have the same view. ?They will try to deflect any blame for any
> > attack on western corporations. ?They might raise a stink for a little
> > bit. It will be interesting to see what happens to google, if they
> > close up shop or raid the google data center.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM, iamnowonmai <iamnowonmai at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Like it or not they need us to buy their stuff. I don't see them doing a
> > > damn thing personally
> > >
> > > Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It will be interesting to see what China does. ?They could just take
> > > > over Google.cn and seize the server farm as state property. ?It might
> > > > make other companies think twice about doing business in China.
> > > >
> > > > -mmiller
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Karl Schuttler
> > > > <karl.schuttler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In case you didn't see
> > > > > it...?http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our
> > > > > results
> > > > > on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with
> > > > > the
> > > > > Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered
> > > > > search
> > > > > engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean
> > > > > having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China."
> > > > > Karl
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert Portvliet
> > > > > <robert.portvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I hope Google pulls out of China... but before they do make every
> > > > > > search return
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
> > > > > > ?:)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Adrian Crenshaw
> > > > > > <irongeek at irongeek.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Odd, to quote the email:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Technology Alert
> > > > > > > from The Wall Street Journal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Google said it is "reviewing the feasibility of our business
> > > > > > > operations
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > China" and may back out of China entirely, as it disclosed it had
> > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > hit
> > > > > > > with major cyberattacks it believes originated from the country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a blog post, Google said it detected a "highly sophisticated and
> > > > > > > targeted
> > > > > > > attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China" in
> > > > > > > mid-December and that the attack resulted in "the theft of
> > > > > > > intellectual
> > > > > > > property from Google."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126333757451026659.html?mod=djemalertTECH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since the WSJ wants you to pay, see:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope they cover this on ISD tonight.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adrian
> > > > > > >
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