Google and China

[blake at remoteorigin.com (blake at remoteorigin.com)]

Doesn't anyone remember when Chinese hacktivism was only a problem at Chinese universities?  What ever happened to the 
North Korean hacker squads or the results of project Titan Rain?

In my opinion, China needs the US more then the US needs them.  There may be only one way to know for sure...

"In early December 2005 the director of the SANS Institute, a security institute in the U.S., said that the attacks 
were "most likely the result of Chinese military hackers attempting to gather information on U.S. systems.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Rain

Fool me three times...

-Blake



It makes you wonder if Google has strong evidence to suggest that the Chinese 
government was directly involved.  That would seem like reason enough to back 
out of the censorship deal.  We help you, then you hack us?  If the attackers 
were targeting Chinese users that would also seem to indicate the government.  
It doesn't make sense that Chinese hackers would target only other Chinese 
users for any other reason.  

Nathan

-----Original Message-----
From: pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com 
[mailto:pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wood
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] Google and China

The media, and maybe Google themselves, are lumping the censorship and
the hacking incident together as a reason to pull out but I don't see
how the two are related. Whether or not they are in China they can
still be targets of Chinese hackers. There is some evidence that the
current lot were going after the accounts of Chinese users but other
companies, such as Adobe, were also attacked so it wasn't all about
one Chinese group attacking another.

Am I missing something?

Robin

2010/1/14 Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller at gmail.com>:
> I have the same view. ?They will try to deflect any blame for any
> attack on western corporations. ?They might raise a stink for a little
> bit. It will be interesting to see what happens to google, if they
> close up shop or raid the google data center.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM, iamnowonmai <iamnowonmai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Like it or not they need us to buy their stuff. I don't see them doing a 
damn thing personally
> > Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It will be interesting to see what China does. ?They could just take
> > > over Google.cn and seize the server farm as state property. ?It might
> > > make other companies think twice about doing business in China.
> > >
> > > -mmiller
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Karl Schuttler
> > > <karl.schuttler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In case you didn't see
> > > > it...?http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
> > > >
> > > > "We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our 
results
> > > > on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with 
the
> > > > Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered 
search
> > > > engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean
> > > > having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China."
> > > > Karl
> > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert Portvliet
> > > > <robert.portvliet at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I hope Google pulls out of China... but before they do make every
> > > > > search return
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
> > > > > ?:)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Adrian Crenshaw <irongeek at irongeek.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Odd, to quote the email:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Technology Alert
> > > > > > from The Wall Street Journal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Google said it is "reviewing the feasibility of our business 
operations
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > China" and may back out of China entirely, as it disclosed it had been
> > > > > > hit
> > > > > > with major cyberattacks it believes originated from the country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a blog post, Google said it detected a "highly sophisticated and
> > > > > > targeted
> > > > > > attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China" in
> > > > > > mid-December and that the attack resulted in "the theft of 
intellectual
> > > > > > property from Google."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126333757451026659.html?mod=djemalertTECH
> > > > > > Since the WSJ wants you to pay, see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope they cover this on ISD tonight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adrian
> > > > > >
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