202401101433.AYC Re: EzIP Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

["Abraham Y. Chen" <aychen () avinta com>]

Hi, Enno:

0)    Thanks for your comments referring to historical efforts.

1)    However, the "IPv4 Unicast Extension Project" that your paper 
cited does not make any specific recommendation about how to utilize the 
240/4 netblock uniformly across the entire Internet. Our proposal, EzIP 
outlines a scheme that makes a clear use of the 240/4 by the general 
public, basically discouraging disparate private usages. We were very 
much lost with what has been going on with the 240/4 netblock, because 
there was no information about who were using it for what. The RIPE-Lab 
report clarified the fact that it has been fragmented due to unannounced 
activities by multi-national conglomerates and likely nerds, while under 
the cover of "Reserved for Future Use".

2)    " As you state yourself this could be considered "unorthodox, if 
not controversial". ... usually means 'breaks something' ":

    I am afraid that you read into my diplomatic expression too far.

    A.    The first step of the EzIP proposal is to enhance the CG-NAT 
by providing it with a much larger netblock, as I presume that Karim is 
looking for. Such process (disabling the program code that has been 
disabling the use of 240/4) does not need any running code to prove it. 
To be blunt, anyone who claims that this will be a real task only shows 
that he does not know his own code.

    B.    The second EzIP step is to utilize RFC791 for setting up 
end-to-end links which the Internet has not been able to deliver. This 
is because the current predominant CG-NAT based CDN business is a 
master-slave model which does not support it. However, this capability 
is like international postal or telephony services that are not daily 
needs for everyone. So, it should be treated as a premium service that 
can be built up with time base on demand.

    Let's not mixing B. with A. as a one-shot job in this discussion.

Regards,


Abe (2024-01-10 22:10 EST)





On 2024-01-10 07:57, Enno Rey via NANOG wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 07:35:01AM -0500, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:
> > Hi, Karim:
> >
> > 1)?????? If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your
> > business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, since you are asking
> > to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address
> > _/*for free*/_ by _/*disabling*/_ the program codes in your current
> > facility that has been */_disabling_/* the use of 240/4 netblock.
> As you state yourself this could be considered "unorthodox, if not controversial".
> Alas in network operations 'unorthodox' usually means 'breaks something'. Which is exactly why you may avoid this, see 
> also:
>
> https://theinternetprotocolblog.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/some-notes-on-ipv4-address-space/
>
> cheers
>
> Enno
>
>
>
>
>
>   Please
> > have a look at the below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined
> > disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has been
> > known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without
> > announcement. So, you can do so stealthily according to the proposed
> > mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well.
> >
> > https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf
> >
> > 2)?????? Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow
> > up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers express their interests.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote:
> > > Hi Nanog Community
> > >
> > > Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > KARIM
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