Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

[Pascal Masha <pascalmasha () gmail com>]

NO Owen, we can't have a single rogue member bring a whole entity that is
mandated with an important task for the continent to a stand still just
because they can twist the law and quote bylaws or manipulate processes.

This is WRONG and shall remain to be so no matter how repeated and
"fancily" satinize it with a good read of the mandalorians ways of life.

LET AFRINIC BE, and not undermine it's operations or the intelligence of
the other members who need it's services.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 11:59 AM Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> No, Pascal, you are simply wrong here. AFRINIC has the right to reclaim
> the resources in the event of an actual violation of the RSA or by
> incorporation the AFRINIC bylaws or the policies passed by the community.
>
> Afrinic knew full well that the bylaws and policy don’t prohibit out of
> region usage. They brought this fact before the community and practically
> begged the community to develop policy to prohibit it. The community
> rejected that idea pretty soundly. As a result, the bylaws and policy still
> do not prohibit out of region usage.
>
> Given that the board knew that the policies and the bylaws were not
> actually being violated, their actions were not in good faith and the court
> has ruled accordingly.
>
> It is your attitude of “the law says what we want to pretend it says”
> which is perfectly in line with the board which is anti-democracy.
> Democracy says that even if you don’t like the law, you follow it until you
> can convince enough of your fellow citizens to change it. I freely admit I
> am not a Mandalorian and I have no desire to be a Mandalorian. I don’t
> particularly like wearing helmets or masks and I enjoy communal meals.
> Further, Mandalorians are NOT a democracy. More like a theocracy. That is
> their way. Perhaps you should study some of these things before you attempt
> to speak authoritatively about them, for here you have clearly expressed
> your ignorance about democracy, the rule of law, and the way of the
> Mandalorians.
>
> These are the facts.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 23:12, Pascal Masha <pascalmasha () gmail com> wrote:
>
> AFRINIC has the right to reclaim those resources should it prove that
> usage of such is not in any way beneficial to the continent in which it's
> mandated to operate and support.
> We will not defend CI or Lu Heng for persisting in this, we the members
> felt it's a blackmail and the action taken by AFRNIC was in good faith.
> Anyone supporting such actions as those taken by CI and its sympathizers is
> against democracy and fair utilization/usage of global number resources and
> by extension; I dare say, not a Mandolorian. This is the way!
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 2:20 AM Delong.com via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 15, 2023, at 15:05, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > A much better explanation of the situation can be found at:
> >
> > https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/03/nrs_afrinic_review/
> >
> > I also recommend that everyone who is not yet familiar with the issue
> > google Lu Heng and Cloud Innovations, the Hong Kong based corporate entity
> > in question which caused this.
> >
> >
> > Fair suggestion, but I wouldn’t say it’s fair to say Lu Heng or CI caused
> > this. I’d say that AFRINIC’s
> > leadership at the time had an at least equal role in creating the
> > problems and in failing to address
> > Them in a timely manner.
> >
> > CI didn’t sue AFRINIC for nothing. AFRINIC, in violation of the actual
> > text of their bylaws attempted
> > to revoke CI space and created major disruptions to a number of networks
> > in the process. Had CI
> > not received the injunctions they got from the courts, likely the
> > disruption would have been much
> > worse and caused some pretty wide-spread outages.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lu+heng+cloud+innovation
> >
> > The short version of this is that a HK based corporate entity claims it
> > is the legitimate "owner" of 7 million AFRINIC IPs.
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC legitimately issued those (closer to 6M) IP addresses to Cloud
> > Innovation based on justifications submitted. AFRINIC then attempted, using
> > claims that usage out of region is not permitted by the bylaws
> > (It is not prohibited by the bylaws, feel free to read them yourself), to
> > reclaim those addresses.
> >
> > AFRINIC whois and the courts have confirmed that Cloud Innovation is the
> > rightful registrant of those
> > addresses at the time and as of now. Until a court rules otherwise (which
> > is very unlikely at this point),
> > they don’t “own” the addresses, but they do “own” the rights to those
> > registrations in the AFRINIC
> > database.
> >
> > (Nobody “owns” any integers… Everyone remains equally free to use the
> > number 5 as much as they want.)
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan () bryanfields net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > > > I think this qualifies as potentially operational.
> > > >
> > > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six
> > > months:
> > > > https://archive.ph/jOFE4
> > >
> > > Looks like archive.ph is having problems.  This is the original article.
> > >
> > > >
> > > https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2c6pnx4ymt7sd5c493wg0/news/exclusive-afrinic-placed-in-receivership-board-elections-to-be-held-in-six-months
> > > --
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> > >
> > > 727-409-1194 - Voice
> > > http://bryanfields.net