Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

[Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org>]

Martin and Tom,

How is it a private marketing initiative exactly if the links go to stories on NANOG's website? Are you saying the very 
org that brings us together, is not allowed to spur discussion based on newsletter content and cannot provide us with 
updates and/or reminders about various things?

Y'all have been making a mountain out of a molehill.

Ryan

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Subject: Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

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What network does Nanog-news operate?

Marketing email doesn’t  belong on an operational list.  Even if its NANOG marketing itself.  (Ack Kentik non 
involvement).

This is the right comment.

The NANOG Mailing List Usage Guidelines  ( https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ ) are fairly clear about 
this.

Posts to NANOG’s Mailing List should be focused on operational and technical content only, as described by the NANOG 
Bylaws.
Using the NANOG Mailing List as a source for private marketing initiatives, or product marketing of any kind, is 
prohibited.

Sending this type of message to nanog@ is not appropriate, by our own rules. This issue will be raised at the next 
members meeting.




On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 9:39 PM Martin Hannigan <hannigan () gmail com<mailto:hannigan () gmail com>> wrote:

What network does Nanog-news operate?

Marketing email doesn’t  belong on an operational list.  Even if its NANOG marketing itself.  (Ack Kentik non 
involvement).

Warm regards,

-M<


On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 20:52 Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org<mailto:ryan () rkhtech org>> wrote:
Randy,

You're right, the problem is not technical. It's a choice to click the links or not. NANOG does not have to sanitize 
links for you. Those emails do not have to be read, and no one is stopping you from filtering them out. For you to say, 
"my privacy has been sold", is simply not true.

Ryan

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Subject: Re: Guest Column: Kentik's Doug Madory, Last Call for Upcoming ISOC Course + More

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> It is totally possible to turn off the spyware in MailChimp.  You just
> need to buy an actual commercial account rather than using their
> "free" service.  To save $13 or $20 per month, you are instead selling
> the privacy of every recipient of your emails.  See:
>
>   
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailchimp.com%2Fhelp%2Fenable-and-view-click-tracking%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7C4ac3a26bb5c4481c087908dbb0cbc6d7%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638298161499653329%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Pw6uDgHDzT%2BavOz1jYAbG4VzTyP0en0oiuBq0PmTtVI%3D&reserved=0<https://mailchimp.com/help/enable-and-view-click-tracking/>
>
>   "Check the Track clicks box to enable click tracking, or uncheck the
>   box to disable click tracking.  ...  Mailchimp will continue to
>   redirect URLs for users with free account plans to protect against
>   malicious links.  ...  When a paid user turns off click tracking,
>   Mailchimp will continue to redirect their URLs until certain account
>   activity thresholds are met."
>
> Don't forget to turn off the spyware 1x1 pixel "web bugs" that
> MailChimp inserts by default, too:
>
>   
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailchimp.com%2Fhelp%2Fabout-open-tracking%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7C4ac3a26bb5c4481c087908dbb0cbc6d7%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638298161499653329%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iqkTsuhDFD3poxVltrN4x%2FWY6eXpbIivWxf4VAWcXKA%3D&reserved=0<https://mailchimp.com/help/about-open-tracking/>


as usual, the problem is not technical.  there is no need for mailchump
at all.

nanog management has made a very intentional decision to sell my
privacy.  nanog has come a long way, not all of it  good.

randy