Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

[Justin Streiner <streinerj () gmail com>]

There are already so many different ways that organizations can find out
all sorts of information about individual users, as others have noted
(social media interactions, mobile location/GPS data, call/text history,
interactions with specific sites, etc), that there probably isn't much
incentive for many providers to harvest data beyond what is needed for
troubleshooting and capacity planning.  Plus, gathering more data -
potentially down to the level packet payload - is not an easy problem to
solve (read: expensive) and doesn't scale well at all. 100G links are very
common today, and 400G is becoming so.  I doubt that many infrastructure
providers would be able to justify the major investments in extra
infrastructure to support this, for a revenue stream that likely wouldn't
match that investment, which would make such an investment a loss-leader.

Content providers - particularly social media platforms - have a somewhat
different business model, but those providers already have many different
ways to harvest and sell large troves of user data.

Thank you
jms

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 3:44 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
wrote:

> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:10 AM Jeroen Massar <jeroen () massar ch> wrote:
>
> > > On 16 May 2023, at 06:46, Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com> wrote:
> > > [..]
> > > I admit, I'm perhaps a little behind on the latest netflow whiz-bangs,
> > > but I've never seen a netflow record type that included HTTP cookies
> > > or PCAP data before.
> >
> > Take your pick from the "latest" ~2009 IPFIX Information Elements:
> >
> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix/ipfix.xhtml
> >
> > One can stuff almost anything in there.
> >
> > Now if one should, and if one is allowed to.....
>
> Wow.
>
> Thank you, Jeroen, I was indeed a bit out of date.
> Thank you for the pointer!
>
> (For those in the same boat as I, here's the relevant portion that clearly
> points out that yes, you can export the entire packet if you so desire):
>
> 313 ipHeaderPacketSection octetArray default current
>
> This Information Element carries a series of n octets from the IP header
> of a sampled packet, starting sectionOffset octets into the IP header.
>
> However, if no sectionOffset field corresponding to this Information
> Element is present, then a sectionOffset of zero applies, and the octets
> MUST be from the start of the IP header.
>
> With sufficient length, this element also reports octets from the IP
> payload. However, full packet capture of arbitrary packet streams is
> explicitly out of scope per the Security Considerations sections of [
> RFC5477 <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc5477>] and [RFC2804
> <https://www.iana.org/go/rfc2804>].
>
>
>
>  Thanks!
>
> Matt
> (still learning after all these years.   ^_^ )