Re: V6 still not supported

[Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com>]

Michael Thomas wrote:
> On 3/23/22 11:53 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
> > Michael Thomas wrote:
> IETF can't force people to adopt things, film at 11. They certainly 
> can't control people's saltiness from something that happened 30 years 
> ago. IPv6 is manifestly deployable for operators that want to. If 
> others don't want to deploy it in the face of the predictable address 
> crunch, that's on the operators and not anybody else. Vendors will 
> build patches and hacks and other abominations if somebody is willing 
> to pay for it. If you like CGN, by all means deploy it from a vendor 
> standpoint. If you don't like CGN either then, well, you're sort of 
> screwed. Going back and relitigating ipng is not ever going to happen.
>
> Mike

Which is why the IETF should not engineer things under the assumption 
that they can.

Which is why the IETF should not be citing IPv6 as cause to deny efforts 
on IPv4.

Because as you say, at this point, even if you dont like CGN, the 
internet is sort of screwed.

And the reasons that IPv6 is not deployed everywhere it could or even 
should be are myriad. Perhaps unpredictable. That reasons would abound 
was predictable.

Network A deploying IPv6 does not do nearly as much to help A as it does 
when B-Z do, which is the core problem of IPv6 transition. You can 
understand then that even in the face of shortage IPv6 is only one of 
the options on the table at network A for short term alleviation. And 
usually not even the one with most bang per buck. Those who can choose 
D) all of the above, the rest prioritize based on resources and various 
locally defined assessments and analysis. Also unpredictable, but 
predictable that they would exist.

Bygones are bygones, but not if the behavior persists.

Yes, I understand referring to the IETF as an individual entity is 
grossly oversimplifying.

Joe