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Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock
From: Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com>
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:04:14 -0400
Saku Ytti wrote:
What if many/most large CDN, cloud, tier1 would commonly announce a plan to drop all IPv4 at their edge 20 years from now? How would that change our work? What would we stop doing and what would we start doing?
I cant see how it would change or do anything IPv6-related for myself for at least 19 years. And I suspect most others would fall somewhere between that and never.
However, such an announcement would actually signal that we should do all those things now to IPv4 that will take 10 years to be useful, because then they will be useful for at least another 10 years.
Seriously, we have already had this sort of experiment play out numerous times, both with a governing body and without. We already know how it goes.
With a governing body: lack of progress right up until the deadline, gnashing of teeth ensues until deadline is extended, more often than not comprehensive conversion finally completes, later than scheduled.
Without: lack of progress right up to deadline, teeth gnashing, deadline is arbitrarily extended, nothing much changes and deadline is forgotten.
When IPv4 is properly obsoleted, we will see many of those announcements and some will matter and most wont. As it should be. However proclamations are not going to obsolete IPv4. As we have already seen.
I dont think advocating for large players to band together to form their own internet-ops standard body is going to save IPv6 and the internet. More likely it will doom both as we know it.
Here is an equally unlikely thought experiment.What if many/most large CDN, cloud, tier1 would commonly announce a plan to compatibly extend IPv4, citing a lack of progress in IPv6 deployment and resulting IPv4 elimination as well as a stagnant stalemate on any such efforts within the would-be-relevant standard bodies?
Joe
Current thread:
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock, (continued)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Joe Maimon (Mar 13)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock William Herrin (Mar 13)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Christopher Morrow (Mar 13)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Joe Maimon (Mar 13)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock William Herrin (Mar 13)
- Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Christopher Morrow (Mar 13)
- Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Abraham Y. Chen (Mar 11)
- Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock William Herrin (Mar 11)
- Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Abraham Y. Chen (Mar 12)
- Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Saku Ytti (Mar 13)
- Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Joe Maimon (Mar 13)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock John Levine (Mar 13)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Randy Bush (Mar 13)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock bzs (Mar 13)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Niels Bakker (Mar 13)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock bzs (Mar 14)
- Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Sylvain Baya (Mar 15)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Owen DeLong via NANOG (Mar 15)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Mark Andrews (Mar 15)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Owen DeLong via NANOG (Mar 16)
- Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Mark Andrews (Mar 16)