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RE: Frontier Dark Fiber


From: John van Oppen <john () vanoppen com>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:17:50 +0000

When working with ILECs it is important to differentiate what must be offered via ICAs and what is offered 
commercially.  We for example sell a ton commercially but effectively none through our interconnection agreements 
anymore.

(we being Ziply Fiber in WA/OR/ID/MT)


From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+john=vanoppen.com () nanog org> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2022 2:24 PM
To: Paul Timmins <paul () telcodata us>
Cc: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber:


https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list


It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list.



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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul () telcodata us>
To: nanog () nanog org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, 
and it was killed in 2021 as an orderable product.



https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services



There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 
under the TRRO.






On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.


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From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net><mailto:nanog () ics-il net>
To: nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Frontier Dark Fiber
I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber.

My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they 
very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time).

Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.


I'm aware that availability varies.

I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it.



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