Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe <lb () 6by7 net>]

I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes.  It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a 
month for this.  I’d pay five.

-LB

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> On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
>
> I agree with Dan.
>
> In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the 
> same ISP) .
>
> As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
>
> But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability 
> to upload large files for off-site backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd do without it !   
>
> And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when streaming 4K TV is long gone ...  I can have multiple 
> people in multiple rooms in my house streaming 4K and nobody notices.
>
> I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the price 5x, I'd still pay it.
>
> Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would be the minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything 
> less than that is a bit silly and will soon be obsolete.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka <mrsyeltzin () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike.   Brandon's ISP can provide that service.
> >
> > So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based on population density, last mile tech, etc?
> >
> > I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. 
> > Then my ISP upgraded me to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day difference in getting things done. 
> >
> > Just like your example of average utilization being in the single megabits per second, my average utilization is 
> > near zero. But when I need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't embarrassing in 2021.
> >
> > Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It doesn't have to be sustained throughout the contract to be 
> > required. The only question is how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible for larger players. 
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > (end)
> >
> > On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> >
> > > That's not based in any kind of reality.
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > >
> > > Midwest-IX
> > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > >
> > > From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB () SherwoodOregon gov>
> > > To: "Sean Donelan" <sean () donelan com>, "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM
> > > Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> > >
> > > 100/100 minimum for sure.
> > >
> > > In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.
> > >
> > > We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the census block claims they provide broadband.. Not 
> > > hard to put an AP up on a tower and hit the current definition's upload speed.
> > >
> > > I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they "need"...  
> > >
> > > Brandon Price
> > > Senior Network Engineer
> > > City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+priceb=sherwoodoregon.gov () nanog org> On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM
> > > To: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> > >
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> > >
> > > On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
> > > > At least 100/100.
> > > >
> > > > We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone at if I could.
> > >
> > > At $50/month or less?
> > >
> > > Maximize number of households of all demographic groups.