Re: Muni broadband sucks (was: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

All I'm going to say is at $5/foot for fiber, even if it's 864 count, you
are royally overpaying for material!

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On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 3:42 AM Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 2:53 AM Masataka Ohta <
> mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> wrote:
>
> > Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry but that claim is completely wrong. Cabling cost scales linearly
> > with
> > > the number of cores.
>
> My apology to Masataka Ohta for my too strong wording by calling you
> wrong. The moderators put me in place. I wanted to say I disagree with the
> claim.
>
>
> > Most of cabling cost is cost to lay cables. Backhoe costs.
> > Space factor of a fiber cable is negligible if you put a
> > cable into utility tunnels which is wide, especially when
> > tunnels were used for copper cables of POTS.
>
> It is true that trenching costs are higher than the cables themselves. But
> that does not mean the cables are cheap and that it is an
> insignificant cost. Cables + duct is about 20% of our cost to lay down the
> network. Not having huts with active equipment spread all around is also a
> huge cost saving that can not be ignored.
>
>  > The cost of 144 is not
> >  > double that of 72.  288 is not double the cost of 144.
> >
> > Yup. When PON was first conceived several tens of years ago, core
> > cost a lot. But, today...
>
> I should point out that I probably buy more cable than most. The exact
> pricing is of course not public, but lets say a core cost somewhere between
> 1 to 2 USD cents per meter. Then you simply multiply up to get an
> approximate price of the cable. Holds true for cables with more than about
> 12 cores. This is because with larger cables the cost of the cores dominate
> the price of the cable. When you buy as much as we do, you do not really
> get a huge rebate for buying more cores in a single cable - we already buy
> insane amounts of core - it is just distributed in more cables.
>
> The moderator is right in that we do not seem to progress much here in
> this discussion. So lets agree to disagree. But let me get this closing
> comment in anyway... the guy that actually builds PON networks says he does
> so, because it is significantly cheaper. We have no other motivations as
> our network is not open to third parties in any case. Our motivation is to
> stay profitable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Baldur