Re: Parler

[Andy Ringsmuth <andy () andyring com>]

And yet, Amazon will still happily sell you this item:

https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/1607966123/

In fact, it is listed as:  #1 Best Seller in Anarchism



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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Paul Timmins <paul () telcodata us> wrote:
>
> "You have to let your customer's services contain death threats against the owner of your company or we'll blacklist 
> you" is the wildest take of 2021 yet.
>
> Blocking Amazon because of who they allow to remain a customer is something I wholeheartedly encourage my competitors 
> to do.
>
> On 1/12/21 9:29 AM, Kevin McCormick wrote:
> > Imagine if Tier 1 ISPs had a censorship free clause that required companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon to 
> > provide services free of censorship or have IP blocks blackholed. They would lose hundreds of millions of dollars 
> > per day. I bet they would reverse their tone in a hurry.
> >
> > https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/idaho-internet-provider-to-block-facebook-twitter-over-their-trump-bans/
> >  
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Kevin McCormick
> >  
> > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+kmccormick=mdtc.net () nanog org> On Behalf Of mark seery
> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:06 PM
> > To: K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com>
> > Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: Parler
> >  
> > I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have acceptable use policies that call out criminality and incitement to 
> > violence, for example:
> >  
> > https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy
> >  
> > Have these AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would that be new territory?
> >
> > Sent from Mobile Device
> >
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Right, it's not a list for content hosting.
> >  
> > Scott Helms
> >  
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > No, this is a list for Network Operators.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is a list for pushing bits.  The fact that many/most of us have other businesses doesn't make this an 
> > appropriate forum for SIP issues (to use my own work as an example).
> >  
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 4:52 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > This is a list for Network Operators, AWS certainly operates networks.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > No,
> >  
> > It really does not.  Section 230 only applies to publishers, and not to network providers.  If this were a cloud 
> > hosting provider list then you'd be correct, but as a network provider's list it does not belong here.
> >
> >
> > Scott Helms
> >
> >  
> >  
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> > As network operations and compute/cloud/hosting operations continue to coalesce, I very much disagree with you.  
> > Section 230 is absolutely relevant, this discussion is timely and relevant, and it directly affects me as both a 
> > telecom and cloud compute/services provider. 
> >  
> >  
> > —L.B.
> >  
> > Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> > 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> > CEO 
> > ben () 6by7 net
> > "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.”
> > FCC License KJ6FJJ
> >
> >
> > <Speedtest9118.png>
> > <Ben LIC.png>
> >
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:13 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> >  
> > It's not, and frankly it's disappointing to see people pushing an agenda here.
> >
> >
> > Scott Helms
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > NANOG is a group of Operators, discussion does not have to be about networking. I have already explained how this 
> > represents a significant issue for Network Operators.
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > It has nothing to do with networking. Their decision was necessarily political. If you can specifically bring up an 
> > issue, beyond speculative, on how their new chosen CDN is somehow now causing congestion or routing issues on the 
> > public internet, then great. But as of now, that isn't even a thing. It's just best to leave it alone because it 
> > will devolve into chaos.
> >
> > - Mike Bolitho
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Why? This is extremely relevant to network operators and is not political at all.
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Can we please not go down this rabbit hole on here? List admins?
> >
> > - Mike Bolitho
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
> > search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
> > proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill HErrin