Re: Parler

["K. Scott Helms" <kscott.helms () gmail com>]

They certainly have been many many times, but that's an entirely
different animal than the rules for content hosting and publishing.
Actions from network providers have (AFAIK) always been in conjunction
with some traffic from or to the violating party rather than an
otherwise legal content hosting arrangement.


Scott Helms


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:05 PM mark seery <mark.a.seery () gmail com> wrote:
> I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have acceptable use policies that call out criminality and incitement to 
> violence, for example:
>
> https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy
>
> Have these AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would that be new territory?
>
> Sent from Mobile Device
>
> On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
>
> 
> Right, it's not a list for content hosting.
>
> Scott Helms
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > No, this is a list for Network Operators.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > This is a list for pushing bits.  The fact that many/most of us have other businesses doesn't make this an 
> > appropriate forum for SIP issues (to use my own work as an example).
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 4:52 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > > This is a list for Network Operators, AWS certainly operates networks.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > No,
> > >
> > > It really does not.  Section 230 only applies to publishers, and not to network providers.  If this were a cloud 
> > > hosting provider list then you'd be correct, but as a network provider's list it does not belong here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Helms
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> > > > As network operations and compute/cloud/hosting operations continue to coalesce, I very much disagree with you.  
> > > > Section 230 is absolutely relevant, this discussion is timely and relevant, and it directly affects me as both a 
> > > > telecom and cloud compute/services provider.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > —L.B.
> > > >
> > > > Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> > > > 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
> > > > CEO
> > > > ben () 6by7 net
> > > > "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.”
> > > > FCC License KJ6FJJ
> > > >
> > > > <Speedtest9118.png>
> > > > <Ben LIC.png>
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:13 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's not, and frankly it's disappointing to see people pushing an agenda here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Helms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > NANOG is a group of Operators, discussion does not have to be about networking. I have already explained how this 
> > > > represents a significant issue for Network Operators.
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > It has nothing to do with networking. Their decision was necessarily political. If you can specifically bring up 
> > > > an issue, beyond speculative, on how their new chosen CDN is somehow now causing congestion or routing issues on 
> > > > the public internet, then great. But as of now, that isn't even a thing. It's just best to leave it alone because 
> > > > it will devolve into chaos.
> > > >
> > > > - Mike Bolitho
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why? This is extremely relevant to network operators and is not political at all.
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Can we please not go down this rabbit hole on here? List admins?
> > > >
> > > > - Mike Bolitho
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
> > > > search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
> > > > proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bill HErrin