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Re: private 5G networks?


From: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 21:34:29 +0200



On 12/6/21 19:34, Jean St-Laurent wrote:

Strangely, there is apparently a lawsuit of $150B against Meta for for facilitating Rohingya Genocide . I am not sure 
how valid it is and where it will go, but $150B is quite something.

It looks like the price a country has to pay after a war.

Content folk will never openly admit it, but I don't think this is something they cannot deal with. They are in a business where borders, buildings and factories have no value. Even if they got broken up in the U.S., you can't break up ideas and culture... it will just split up and move into countries where they won't be bothered.

But back to your point... the reason content folk can get away with these "distractions" is, again, because of us, the users. While many users will care about how ethical the content folk are, most will not. Users just want the platform to keep going, because it is a platform that not only consistently provides value, but is annoyingly good at relentlessly improving the experience.

We saw what happened between Google and Australia. Who did you think random Australian citizens on the street were going to back? And yes, even if Google or the rest did a deal where they pay something to local traditional publishers, it's still a net-win for them, and the world keeps spinning.

The best way to protect your business is from the loyalty of your customers, and the content folk are very good and acquiring and maintaining that loyalty, for better or worse.


These cloud providers failed to not polarize the debate. They interfere in the process and it's illegal nearly 
everywhere except online for the cloud providers.

And that's to my point, about this not being about borders, buildings or factories. The Internet is the level-playing field, as long as you have a half-decent idea. Whether that idea is good or bad doesn't matter. What matters is if you can capture the hearts and minds of tens, hundreds, thousands, millions or billions of users, because that is leverage which can't be taken away from you.


Telco are at the moment in a much better position than cloud providers in my opinion. The train started to anticipate the 
curve and it's already changing direction.

I'm not sure how you figure that... infrastructure is under massive pressure to keep up with what the content folk are doing. We can no longer buy kit at reasonable prices that does what we want; our customers see us a nuisance that sits between them and their app; we have no innovation DNA; even though we are also users of these apps from the content folk that make our lives easier, we don't know how to translate that into the same experience in our own businesses; we can't negotiate with vendors, gubbermints, partners, e.t.c., at the same level; and we are constantly at risk of losing whatever leverage we have over our customers depending on whether the content folk are in the mood to "build it themselves" or not.

A live example playing out for me, now, is how one of my mobile providers is struggling to get me on to a new contract despite them not being able to give me a new iPhone, because of all the global shortages of stock. They have lost about nearly all billing from me, and I likely represent a ton of other customers going through the same. Their whole model is hinged on continuous device upgrades to maintain billing, and now that those devices are nowhere to be found, they are stuck. They are creating data, voice and SMS products that have no head or tail, because that is the depth of their innovation. The kids don't want voice and SMS in 2021 - they will use data to make WhatsApp or FaceTime calls, if they must.

I dumped my "full package" and took a data-only package for 1GB/month, at US$2.45/month. I put the Mrs. on the same, but 8GB/month for US$8.09/month. Between us both, that is 20X less billing than they could get from us, all because without the iPhone, their model crashes.

Telco's are in serious trouble, and that includes ISP's. We need to figure it out, fast!


To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect against spyware like Pegazus?

How secure is your private cloud, is the obvious question :-).

I really don't know, to be honest. And really, I actually don't care. If Amazon can make the model work, cheaply, people will build upon it anyway. If they don't trust that Amazon can keep it safe, they'll just add IPSec, or Amazon can sell IPSec as an add-on service... or whatever else newfangled security service thing will exist at the time.

Mark.


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