Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Richard <rgolodner () infratection com>]

Can you please let it go? Or even better go some place else ?

I am sure many thank you.

On 5/13/20 9:20 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:
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> /This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I
> see nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal./
> ----
> According to their private presentation in the following link - they
> receive on a regular basis private data from their contacts in
> internet companies and internet organizations in illegal way - and
> then they share it with Law Enforcement Agencies in illegal way
> (without any warrant).
>
> https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation
>
>
>
> ----
> /Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name
> (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide./
> ----
> Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz",
> "Thomas Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact.
> Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was
> a private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they
> never knew that it will become public.
>
>
>
> ----
> /I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they
> are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their
> website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization//
> ----
> They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in
> very high volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with
> them all the illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement
> Agencies look the other way.
>
>
>
> ----
> /I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state,
> that they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from
> the National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance./
> ----
> Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement
> Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com - owned by Spamhaus)
> - which was a former special agent in USA government before hoped to
> his new job at Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law Enforcement
> Agencies in the Western world.
>
>
>
> ----
> /Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”./
> ----
> Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way.
>
>
>
> ----
> /Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus
> has significantly more credibility than you do./
> ----
> Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber influence
> operation. I dislike the word "credibility" - I like the words facts
> and data. Facts and data are booleans and don't let imbaciles like you
> are to have an opinion, please relate to facts and to data.
>
>
>
> ----
> /That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably):
> /
> /“Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by
> industry players — on the understanding that it can be made available
> to LEAs where needed.”
> /
> ----
> confidence means illegal unless you are an imbacile, industry players
> means internet companies and internet organizations, "on the
> understanding" - meaning that their contacts that shared with them the
> mass privcay data know that this data can be available to LEAs without
> any warrant "where needed".
>
>
>
> ----
> /Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales./
> ----
> Ronald doesn't deny it, so you are denying it for him?
>
>
>
> ----
> /At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said
> with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down
> to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking./
> ----
> Yours lacking. You are asking from me to share with you private
> business documents publicly ? who are you ?
>
>
>
> ----
> /Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence
> have never been his strong suits./
> ----
> People that cover up racism are worst than racists.
>
>
>
> ----
> /a meticulous researcher and brutally honest/
> ----
> Proofs ? Facts ? Data ? Ever heared on any of these ? instead of
> mumbling here that Coconut Guilmette is a meticulous researcher and
> brutally honest.
>
> Here just one note on his "honesty", Coconut Guilmette wrote here in
> Nanog the text in the following link:
>
> https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3
>
> I was never contacted by CoCT like he wrote nor anyone else was
> contacted, he lied to you all, not only that - but internal
> correspondences of CoCT proof the complete opposite of what he wrote -
> Alister of CoCT explained to Coconut Guilmette in his imagination what
> he wrote there - Coconut Guilmette will not be able to show a single
> proof to anything in that linked text paragraph of his.
> I'm willing to show evidences of the exact opposite to one respected
> member of Nanog and he will confirm it to the Nanog community (for
> example to William Herrin).
>
>
>
> ----
> /Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from closer
> scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative?/
> ----
> Racism is racism, you are again trying to to justify racism. The
> person that called Ronald a racist and the person that called Ronald
> an antisemitic - both of them read everything he wrote.
>
>
>
> ----
> /Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that
> you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and
> that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for./
> ----
> No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of Coconut
> Guilmette like I showed above. And there were many many more lies -
> everything that Coconut Guilmette wrote about me was without any
> single proof against me - only from his imagination.
> Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to answer to the
> lies of Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is stating that Ronald is
> an antisemitic ???
>
>
>
> ----
> /Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t
> filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He
> definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills./
> ----
> Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an antisemitic,
> and was called a racist and an antisemitic not by me but by people
> which are not related to me.
>
>
>
> ----
> /I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot.
> He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without
> regard for the collateral damage./
> ----
> Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns ? This is
> called racism, you are still trying to cover up a racist and an
> antisemitic.
>
>
>
> ----
> /You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the
> wrongdoing he’s been pointing out./
> ----
> The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health check and
> you covering up a racist and an antisemitic.
>
>
>
> ----
> /Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and
> for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against
> you are baseless or inaccurate./
> ----
> or Proof-less ???
> And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a racist and
> antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above?
>
>
>
> ----
> /Is it your claim that the following article:
> /
> /https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html
> /
> /is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a
> claim?/
> ----
> Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal anonymous
> organization "The Spamhaus Project" in that site:
>
> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html
>
> And in it you can see that is written:
>
> "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal
> activity in this report."
>
> That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you linked.
>
> The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote - everything is
> entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to them - all they want is
> to defame me and to hurt my chances to join the RIPE board, because
> they know that I will put an end to the illegal anonymous organization
> "The Spamhaus Project" if I will be elected, the defamation towards me
> is only because I dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos
> organization "The Spamhaus Project".
>
>
>
> ----
> /Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too?
> /
> /https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/
> /
> ----
> Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too?
> https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg
>
>
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> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM
> *To:* Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
> *Cc:* Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg () tristatelogic com>; nanog () nanog org
> <nanog () nanog org>
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>  
> > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according
> > to their own words in their own following presentation:
> >
> > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation
>
> This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see
> nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal.
>
> Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name
> (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide.
>
> I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they
> are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their
> website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/
>
> I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that
> they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the
> National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance.
>
> Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”.
>
> Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus
> has significantly more credibility than you do.
>
> > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive
> > amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many
> > internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share
> > it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies
> > - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing
> > regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project”.
>
> That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably):
>
>     “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by
>     industry players — on the understanding that it can be made
>     available to LEAs where needed.”
>
>
> > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous
> > organization "The Spamhaus Project”.
>
> Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales.
>
> > ----
> > /and that said legal counsel has then
> > /
> > /proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town,
> > /
> > /South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish
> > /
> > /to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block/
> > ----
> > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their
> > internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information
> > can email me directly.
>
> At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said
> with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down
> to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking.
>
> > ----
> > /"I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell,
> > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block"/
> > ----
> > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people
> > are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and
> > all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the
> > following links:
> > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX
> > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ
> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
>
> Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have
> never been his strong suits. OTOH, he is, in my experience, a
> meticulous researcher and brutally honest. I also note that you have
> carefully resorted to an image of a plain text blob with no header
> matter and no way to authenticate or verify the source or validate the
> attribution as factual. I don’t doubt that it is an actual RFG quote
> (at least it sounds like something he’d say), but why not link to the
> actual list archive where you got it? Are you attempting to hide the
> rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes
> you hope support your narrative?
> FWIW: Cogent sales reps who actually respond
> <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102992.html> is
> the original thread from the NANOG archives.
>
> Qoute 2 strikes me as an innocent snark said in jest.
> FWIW: Colombia Network Operators Group
> <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/103083.html> is
> the original thread from the NANOG archives.
>
> Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that
> you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and
> that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for.
> FWIW: Quoted thread here: Prominent horse racing identities (was Re:
> Elad Cohen)
> <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105585.html>
>
> > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in
> > the following two links, by people which are not related to me:
> > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk
> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
>
> Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t
> filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He
> definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills.
>
> I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot.
> He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without
> regard for the collateral damage.
>
> You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the
> wrongdoing he’s been pointing out.
>
> > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in
> > two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in
> > Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare
> > in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign
> > towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some
> > Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a
> > single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
>
> Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and
> for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against
> you are baseless or inaccurate.
>
> Is it your claim that the following article:
> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html
>
> is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a
> claim?
>
> Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too?
> https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/
>
> Owen