Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

[Shane Ronan <shane () ronan-online com>]

How do you solve for all the devices that don't have vendor support and
will no longer be able to operate? Or are you suggesting we run a third
Internet ( IPv4, IPv4+ and IPv6) further segregating the things that can
communicate on the Internet.

On Wed, May 13, 2020, 6:48 PM Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io> wrote:

> I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals.
>
> Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations
> -  maybe the following alternative will be fine:
>
> The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end
> of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and
> checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated.
>
> Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which
> are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part
> (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then
> these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that
> it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If
> yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by
> the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then
> the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data
> (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that
> ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet
> data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a
> null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet
> will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router"
> will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which
> is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will
> have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last
> two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the
> destination ip address.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM
> *To:* Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io>
> *Cc:* nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org>
> *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen <elad () netstyle io> wrote:
> > Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts.
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html
>
> "At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address
> that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it
> original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip
> packet "
>
> How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior
> network engineer. It's part of the learning process.
>
> For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate
> router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets
> awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the
> information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't
> have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption)
> on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
> > And SPAM:
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html
> > These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :)
> >
> >
> > This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to
> gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I
> encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger
> effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he
> appears committed to building a tower there).
> > Ref:
> >
> > [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
> >
> > [2]
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg
> > --
> > Regards,
> >    Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
> >      Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
> >
> > Please quote relevant replies.
> > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone.
> > ________________________________
> > From: David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
> >
> > LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read.  You clearly don’t
> have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the
> octet display concept is simply for human benefit.  IPv6 can be implemented
> with ‘software updates’ too…
> > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <
> elad () netstyle io>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM
> > To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg () tristatelogic com>, "nanog () nanog org" <
> nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The
> Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital
> after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself.
> > What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an
> intentional personal attack against me and I will explain.
> > I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal
> anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort
> from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal
> anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to
> attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out
> of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them).
> > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to
> their own words in their own following presentation:
> >
> https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation
> > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount
> of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet
> companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal
> way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the
> reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the
> illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project".
> > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous
> organization "The Spamhaus Project".
> > ----
> > and that said legal counsel has then
> > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town,
> > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish
> > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block
> > ----
> > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their
> internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can
> email me directly.
> > ----
> > "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell,
> trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block"
> > ----
> > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are
> criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago
> citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links:
> > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX
> > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ
> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
> >
> > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in
> the following two links, by people which are not related to me:
> > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk
> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz
> >
> >
> > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two
> antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare
> literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in
> https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards
> me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog
> subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof
> against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn).
> > The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald
> Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account:
> https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own
> words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber
> influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) -
> that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and
> they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that
> Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another
> Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also
> a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done
> here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a
> business competition.
> > That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of
> "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only
> person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial
> goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal
> anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from
> it, for example:
> > - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The
> Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors
> of Open-Xchange.
> > - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing
> removal service (https://wordtothewise.com)
> > Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project":
> >
> > "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and
> Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike
> Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project")
> > "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/)
> > "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (
> https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/)
> > "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/)
> > "Vincent Hanna" -  Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/)
> > "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/)
> > Among others.
> >
> > Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus
> Project":
> > ThreatSTOP
> > FarSight Security
> > Fastly
> > Dyn
> > Cymru
> > Abusix
> > Among others.
> >
> >
> > Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written:
> >
> > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal
> activity in this report."
> > But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only
> for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber
> influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was
> written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then
> Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus
> Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a
> single proof.
> > Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous
> organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front
> clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a
> single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The
> Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question -
> "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then
> please stop spamming the mailing list".
> > Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing:
> > "less than honorable intent reach for power"
> > "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally,
> to the exclusion of all else"
> > "Democracy dies in darkness."
> >
> > When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole
> Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected:
> > IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more
> 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and
> not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers
> and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the
> world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296
> IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ )
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.html
> > Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and
> automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The
> Spamhaus Project")
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html
> > Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed
> ip traffic with is a source for criminality:
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html
> > They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any
> other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make
> sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which
> is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will
> have no footprint in RIPE.
> > My full agenda can be read here:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies#elad_cohen
> > Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will
> be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The
> Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations
> and many businesses worldwide.
> > Kind Regards,
> > Elad
> > ________________________________
> > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <
> rfg () tristatelogic com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM
> > To: nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
> >
> > Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE.
> >
> > Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will
> > be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from
> > now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats.
> >
> > I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for
> > the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal
> > counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then
> > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town,
> > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish
> > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a
> > block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas"
> > historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been
> > legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years.
> > (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell,
> > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block,
> > and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against
> > this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.)
> >
> > Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you
> > be the judge.
> >
> > In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all
> > know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a
> > number of additional startling facts relating to the people who
> > nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as
> > documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen:
> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html
> > I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned
> > in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long,
> > so I'll await some explict request for that additional info.  For now
> > it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely
> > available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link,
> > IMHO.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > rfg
> >
> >
> > P.S.  I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained
> > from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either
> > partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will
> > refrain from doing so.  I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least
> > note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when
> > people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be,
> > focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and
> > their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is
> elsewhere,
> > persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with
> unfortunate
> > regularity, obtain it.
> >
> > I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with
> > personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those
> > responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance,
> > however urgent those may appear at the moment.  For all of us, our first-
> > order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues.  But for
> > those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you
> > consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool,
> > this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world,
> > and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by
> default
> > or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them
> > personally, to the exclusion of all else.
> >
> > P.P.S.  I would be posting this info and the above link also to the
> > very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a
> > due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so.  Separately,
> > due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list
> > transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched
> > to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of
> > the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board
> > election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves,
> > are now entirely off-limits.
> >
> > I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere,
> > not too long ago:
> >
> >                  "Democracy dies in darkness."
> >                                   -- anon
>
>
>
> --
> William Herrin
> bill () herrin us
> https://bill.herrin.us/