Re: alternative to voip gateways

[Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards () gmail com>]

indeed, otherwise thats making the data the critical compnent and
voice an add on extra which is not whats going no here :)

On 5/11/20, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> If POTS last mile is available, why complicate it with VoIP?
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> To: "Nick Edwards" <nick.z.edwards () gmail com>, nanog () nanog org
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:23:36 AM
> Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways
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> Hi Nick
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> Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out?
> Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending
> on where you get the CPEs.
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> Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with VoIP.
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> Regards
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> Baldur
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> søn. 10. maj 2020 14.51 skrev Nick Edwards < nick.z.edwards () gmail com >:
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> On 5/8/20, Baldur Norddahl < baldur.norddahl () gmail com > wrote:
> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:14 AM Masataka Ohta <
> > mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp > wrote:
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> > > Investment for FTTH is 10 times or more than that for plain DSL.
> > We are assuming the copper plant is already there otherwise I will
> > respectfully disagree.
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> > However the economic is not as simple as you might think. Lets do some
> > calculations.
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> > Assume we can build the fiber plant for 1 million USD (*). This fiber can
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> > be depreciated over 25 years. That means we only take USD 40,000/year of
> > the company profit.
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> > The copper plant is already there but the DSLAM is missing. Assume USD 100
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> > per port plus USD 100 per DSL CPE. This equipment can only be depreciated
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> > over 5 years. With 1700 ports this gives USD 68,000/year of the company
> > profit.
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> a 48 port dslam is 2200 (still awaiting cots on line cards for above
> mentioned chassis) so its about 45 per port, CPE is about 50 a device
> in bulk (inc 4 gb ports, wifi)
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> The copper exists, there is no ripping it out
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> Due to location RF links are used for data, so no need to give each
> cabin "future proof" since unless a carrier will run fibre to us for
> 100's miles at their cost - it just aint happenin, the cost is
> extremely prohibitive.
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> > Not claiming these number are anything but fantasy as I know nothing about
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> > the layout of the project. Just illustrating that sometimes more money now
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> > does not necessary means less profit for a company.
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> > (*) yes 1700 installs could be done for that in optimum circumstances. It
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> > could also be much more expensive, all depending.
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> > Regards,
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> > Baldur