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Re: QUIC traffic throttled on AT&T residential


From: Blake Hudson <blake () ispn net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 15:53:13 -0600


        As a network operator my goal was always to ensure customers receive
the traffic they expected, high rates of UDP were often not what they wanted.

        Adusting the limits may be useful but I still think the question of
what rate of UDP traffic is acceptable is a practical one for the future.

        - Jared
I think that's a fair statement Jared. How about this question: Would it be reasonable for one to presume that someone 
purchasing a 25Mbps internet connection might potentially want to send or receive 25Mbps of UDP traffic? I can think of a 
few (not uncommon) applications where this would be the case (VPNs, security cameras using RTP, teleconferencing, web 
browsers implementing QUIC, DNS servers, hosted PBX, etc).
I can think of many legitimate cases, but i think this is where you have internet for everyone and internet for the 
tech-savvy/business split that becomes interesting.

I’ve generally been willing to pay more for a business class service for support and improved response SLA.  The 
average user isn’t going to detect that 10% of their UDP has gone missing, nor should they be expected to.

- Jared
And here I think is where one crosses the threshold between providing an "internet connection" and providing a connection "that can be used to access specific applications or services" (as defined by your provider). This is one step away from your ISP selling you a connection to access Facebook, if you want to access Twitter that's available on their premium package. Oh, you want to access Slack, sorry we don't offer that as a package yet. Call back in a month. You need to esss-esss-achhh? I've never heard of that, why would you want to do that?



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